From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 22:07:42 +0300 Message-ID: <83ee0o9g5d.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> <83v8u09wep.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7zs9pcf.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2764"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 20 21:08:13 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7yu-0000Yo-0Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 21:08:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58432 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7ys-0008FY-5m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:08:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50420) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7yk-0008FP-9U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46229) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7yj-0005ov-TO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:08:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7yj-0007z8-K2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:08:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 19:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.165307367530682 (code B ref 33855); Fri, 20 May 2022 19:08:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2022 19:07:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40126 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7yc-0007yn-OH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:07:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57076) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7yY-0007yY-KF for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:07:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33064) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7yS-0005oL-Nn; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:07:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=aiXKO2plYu0WCFFiRvcZvemQ4PXabYKB/37tVpgCEGE=; b=sFKtn5xx/45Q Ftvq/toSZrxEB36tybFthU9vF3oSTInN+Mws6z2IIoxGK71lEGRVXJ/bSqGqJWa7d28JdLEZHIPEW acbzHnT+Hf7WmmRgusT4U6rXiHN+oGubNzo+jwrNINYwW8DdhonDde/pQLAhoBHQuw/DCSkGLVeO8 Wd1AVQP+ygSr1Jy5uuW91g/56/QIxuEgPMHAptoI95qMTqys5JoeTDCtgZNqSrrGpsg7xVmUp9hro 2l1Axont9P47to/dmcnutrR0jrk8P5JA3WPCW9meR1lu0GthuIaAg16id7JSCAsNsiouBGTqQeIlN KFzbKMNEzhb/gh3m1IH5Hg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2621 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7yR-0003VI-AZ; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:07:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 20 May 2022 14:56:43 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:232789 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 14:56:43 -0400 > > > because Emacs never does that. E.g., if you save a buffer in CC mode > > with all the faces set by font-lock, you don't expect the file on disk > > to have any traces of those faces, right? > > I think this assumes too much knowledge on the part of the user about > how `enriched-mode` works internally. Not at all. Enriched mode is the _only_ mode that is capable of preserving the faces when saving buffers to files. The documentation of Enriched mode spells that out at the beginning. I'm quite sure any Emacs user knows that faces are lost when you save a buffer to disk.