From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58459: Getting a fresh emacs session with no customisation Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 19:20:49 +0300 Message-ID: <83edvbae5a.fsf@gnu.org> References: <0geQIvut8pm1-9SAaI008CzSdp1E-IUa3kruCxKwrH66Gg92tJgKScNSDWJwuueXmV78tcULC_N_c9LG5MADKiD3_AjkXcNQTMQ6soTqIlc=@proton.me> <3gN0Jqr94UeUj3xJtDV3zGvZVbUyjtQFAloYxrdvwN_ZHa3tEUYyFv8h3VcYYSk_gxgMaaBW94kAkaAUCgbd9QKZMkkYJBty-7XOadbzHHQ=@proton.me> <87fsfsc9af.fsf@yahoo.com> <83o7ufafow.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27396"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, psainty@orcon.net.nz, 58459@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: uzibalqa Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 18:54:51 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oj1Tu-0006zO-OK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 18:54:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34932 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oj1Tt-00080J-3f for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:54:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55270) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0yB-0003Ml-2L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:22:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35638) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0yA-000450-Mg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:22:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0yA-0006Lq-CT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:22:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 58459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58459.166567807024336 (code B ref 58459); Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:22:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2022 16:21:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34713 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0xI-0006KO-K2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:21:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45778) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0xD-0006JS-Mk for 58459@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:21:07 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34620) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0x7-0003yz-NS; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:20:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=1KI2KxxAXFErHgfRfzeKC5z/ee6pLW+maKONjTGcRcw=; b=j8xDCAComIpB wgvgc3s/O8v6atSvZlq8f4m+lyoyIIuQyGBN0B+Zx6zVkG2HBJ74Uj6OeAsQSEiSTHPN5rOc5a8ze 482RUQpBdHRR05o2Hvp28Uf/WEzmJeMgqxrlexV+a9XoS5JMG5p8Nw7cX39y0tNKD5NDfXfAAvO6/ JmIZwosf+HGCG9DpanOE/YYJN4orhR+Jo1dNeB9vitHHLiJkQtEu1oDJMc46Swm3T5jxi7iDCRAtn JEftVnAHCRjEqoTfENldXhBGR1NS3RisGIMWKow1wpPqCTQsWwdtH+Jjt+3Kc07e1wO/L6U32U6qd SmBwY+S0AHnnkT09vY8oLQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4365 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0x7-0002Ft-5F; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:20:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from uzibalqa on Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:06:21 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245331 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:06:21 +0000 > From: uzibalqa > Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, psainty@orcon.net.nz, 58459@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com > > > And X resources are as much user settings as what the user sets on the > > init files. So Emacs cannot but obey them. It is user's > > responsibility to set up his/her settings according to his/her > > preferences. > > Untrue again. Emacs obeys them because it decided to obey them. No, Emacs obeys them because programs on X obey them. And because Emacs obeyed them since time immemoriam. Any further argument is really futile, because we will not stop supporting X resources. It is your responsibility as the user to set up the X resources on your system, or invoke Emacs in a way that instructs Emacs to ignore those resources. Please, just accept our position on this, even if you disagree, because it will not change.