From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#62720: 29.0.60; Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:05:13 +0300 Message-ID: <83edog84cm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a5zj2vfo.fsf@gmail.com> <875y9yfxrr.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1muefks.fsf@gmail.com> <834jpifizy.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1mue1qi.fsf@gnu.org> <83sfd2e01f.fsf@gnu.org> <1a5e5837-513b-84d8-3260-cdbf42b71267@gutov.dev> <83sfcz9rf2.fsf@gnu.org> <09a49ab9-ac72-36a9-3e68-9c633710eba7@gutov.dev> <06d29dbd-0b33-8698-bcb8-c89368612f54@gutov.dev> <252e77fb-9657-a5be-2e86-234f7b05d162@gutov.dev> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29577"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 62720@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, joaotavora@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 19 14:06:23 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pp6Zr-0007Sf-0r for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pp6YZ-0000tn-HR; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:05:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <252e77fb-9657-a5be-2e86-234f7b05d162@gutov.dev> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Wed, 19 Apr 2023 00:20:21 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:260265 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 00:20:21 +0300 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rpluim@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, > 62720@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > From: Dmitry Gutov > > On 19/04/2023 00:15, João Távora wrote: > >> Aha, so the :echo thingy made it possible. Gotcha. > > Right, which is also the reason it makes even_less_ sense to bring Eglot > > 1.15 into Emacs 29_without_ ElDoc (I hope that plan is now completely off > > the table). > > Eh, sure. It isn't my call in this case, but FWIW: I still have no idea why wouldn't we want Eglot 1.14 or 1.15 to be in Emacs 29.1. I didn't hear any serious argument against doing that; every reason that was raised was almost immediately explained away as not being a hard limitation. And mind you: Emacs 29.1 will not be released tomorrow or the day after. We still have at least several weeks till then, with at least one more pretest. So the decision whether to import a newer Eglot into the release branch doesn't have to be today. However, the argument against updating Eglot on the release branch, such as they were, are of some vaguely "fundamental" nature, so I'm not sure a few more weeks of time will change the decision. No one said something like "if Emacs 29.1 were to be released in NN weeks or more, it would be okay to update Eglot on the release branch." But then I already admitted to not understanding those reasons, so maybe I'm missing something here. So there you are.