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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
@ 2023-06-03 13:22 Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
  2023-06-03 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong @ 2023-06-03 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 63871


Reproduction:

1. emacs -q -nsl --eval="(require 'cl-lib)"
2. C-x b TAB
3. Select *Async-native-compile-log*
4. The following is printed

```emacs-lisp
Compiling /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.91/lisp/emacs-lisp/cl-loaddefs.el.gz...
uncompressing cl-loaddefs.el.gz...
uncompressing cl-loaddefs.el.gz...done
Compilation finished.
```

Expectation:

This behavior is observed when any packages in ~/.emacs.d/elpa/
autoloads and require cl-lib, org or tramp as well.

The simple act of requiring a built-in Emacs package should not trigger
a JIT native compilation on an Emacs installation built with
`--with-native-compilation=aot`.







In GNU Emacs 29.0.91 (build 1, aarch64-apple-darwin22.5.0, NS
 appkit-2299.60 Version 13.4 (Build 22F66)) of 2023-06-01 built on
 MobileCat.localdomain
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2299
System Description:  macOS 13.4

Configured using:
 'configure --prefix=/opt/local --disable-silent-rules --without-dbus
 --without-gconf --without-libotf --without-m17n-flt --with-libgmp
 --with-gnutls --with-json --with-xml2 --with-modules --infodir
 /opt/local/share/info/emacs --with-sqlite3 --with-webp --with-ns
 --with-lcms2 --without-harfbuzz --without-imagemagick --without-xaw3d
 --with-tree-sitter --with-rsvg --with-native-compilation=aot
 'CFLAGS=-pipe -Os -Wno-attributes
 -isysroot/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX13.sdk -arch
 arm64' 'CPPFLAGS=-I/opt/local/include
 -isysroot/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX13.sdk'
 'LDFLAGS=-L/opt/local/lib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -Wl,-rpath
 /opt/local/lib/gcc12 -Wl,-no_pie
 -Wl,-syslibroot,/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX13.sdk
 -arch arm64''

Configured features:
ACL GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP
NOTIFY KQUEUE NS PDUMPER PNG RSVG SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF
TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP ZLIB

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_GB.UTF-8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Fundamental

Minor modes in effect:
  company-quickhelp-mode: t
  company-prescient-mode: t
  prescient-persist-mode: t
  imenu-list-minor-mode: t
  purpose-mode: t
  windmove-mode: t
  magit-todos-mode: t
  global-git-commit-mode: t
  magit-auto-revert-mode: t
  diff-hl-flydiff-mode: t
  projectile-rails-global-mode: t
  projectile-mode: t
  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
  pdf-occur-global-minor-mode: t
  crm-custom-mode: t
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  dap-tooltip-mode: t
  dap-ui-many-windows-mode: t
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  dap-ui-mode: t
  treemacs-filewatch-mode: t
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  treemacs-git-mode: t
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  winner-mode: t
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  which-function-mode: t
  smooth-scrolling-mode: t
  show-smartparens-global-mode: t
  smartparens-global-mode: t
  server-mode: t
  savehist-mode: t
  save-place-mode: t
  rxt-global-mode: t
  recentf-mode: t
  minibuffer-depth-indicate-mode: t
  ido-vertical-mode: t
  ido-ubiquitous-mode: t
  global-whitespace-cleanup-mode: t
  global-so-long-mode: t
  global-origami-mode: t
  global-move-dup-mode: t
  global-hl-line-mode: t
  global-flycheck-mode: t
  global-diff-hl-show-hunk-mouse-mode: t
  global-diff-hl-mode: t
  global-company-mode: t
  global-auto-revert-mode: t
  global-aggressive-indent-mode: t
  gcmh-mode: t
  flx-ido-mode: t
  ido-everywhere: t
  icomplete-vertical-mode: t
  icomplete-mode: t
  fido-mode: t
  editorconfig-mode: t
  direnv-mode: t
  desktop-save-mode: t
  delete-selection-mode: t
  dap-auto-configure-mode: t
  dap-mode: t
  auto-compile-on-save-mode: t
  amx-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  global-eldoc-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  window-divider-mode: t
  buffer-read-only: t
  size-indication-mode: t
  column-number-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  temp-buffer-resize-mode: t

Load-path shadows:
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/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/jsonrpc-1.0.17/jsonrpc hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/jsonrpc
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/transient-20230602.2121/transient hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/transient
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/use-package-20230426.2324/use-package-jump hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/use-package/use-package-jump
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/use-package-20230426.2324/use-package-ensure hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/use-package/use-package-ensure
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/use-package-20230426.2324/use-package-core hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/use-package/use-package-core
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/use-package-ensure-system-package-20221209.2013/use-package-ensure-system-package hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/use-package/use-package-ensure-system-package
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/use-package-20230426.2324/use-package-delight hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/use-package/use-package-delight
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/use-package-20230426.2324/use-package-diminish hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/use-package/use-package-diminish
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/use-package-20230426.2324/use-package hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/use-package/use-package
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/use-package-20230426.2324/use-package-bind-key hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/use-package/use-package-bind-key
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/bind-key-20230203.2004/bind-key hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/use-package/bind-key
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/use-package-20230426.2324/use-package-lint hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/use-package/use-package-lint
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/verilog-mode-2022.12.18.181110314/verilog-mode hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/verilog-mode
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/eglot-1.15/eglot hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/eglot
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/flymake-1.3.4/flymake hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/flymake
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/soap-client-3.2.3/soap-client hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/net/soap-client
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/soap-client-3.2.3/soap-inspect hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/net/soap-inspect
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/faceup-20170925.1946/faceup hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/emacs-lisp/faceup
/Users/wyuenho/.emacs.d/elpa/eldoc-1.14.0/eldoc hides /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/emacs-lisp/eldoc

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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 13:22 bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
@ 2023-06-03 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-06-03 13:54   ` Jimmy Wong
                     ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-06-03 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong; +Cc: 63871-done

> From: Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2023 14:22:41 +0100
> 
> 
> Reproduction:
> 
> 1. emacs -q -nsl --eval="(require 'cl-lib)"
> 2. C-x b TAB
> 3. Select *Async-native-compile-log*
> 4. The following is printed
> 
> ```emacs-lisp
> Compiling /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.91/lisp/emacs-lisp/cl-loaddefs.el.gz...
> uncompressing cl-loaddefs.el.gz...
> uncompressing cl-loaddefs.el.gz...done
> Compilation finished.
> ```
> 
> Expectation:
> 
> This behavior is observed when any packages in ~/.emacs.d/elpa/
> autoloads and require cl-lib, org or tramp as well.
> 
> The simple act of requiring a built-in Emacs package should not trigger
> a JIT native compilation on an Emacs installation built with
> `--with-native-compilation=aot`.

And it doesn't.  cl-loaddefs has the "no-native-compile: t" thingy in
the file-local variables, so the native-compilation does nothing.

So I don't see any bug here, and I'm closing this bug.





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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-06-03 13:54   ` Jimmy Wong
  2023-06-03 14:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-06-03 14:02   ` Jimmy Wong
  2023-06-03 14:05   ` Jimmy Wong
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jimmy Wong @ 2023-06-03 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 63871-done

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The problem is not that it does something when it compiles, the problem is it should not have triggered a compilation at all and pops up a buffer. This messes up the buffer order when restoring a session with desktop mode on restart.
On 3 Jun 2023 at 2:50 PM +0100, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, wrote:
> > From: Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2023 14:22:41 +0100
> >
> >
> > Reproduction:
> >
> > 1. emacs -q -nsl --eval="(require 'cl-lib)"
> > 2. C-x b TAB
> > 3. Select *Async-native-compile-log*
> > 4. The following is printed
> >
> > ```emacs-lisp
> > Compiling /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.91/lisp/emacs-lisp/cl-loaddefs.el.gz...
> > uncompressing cl-loaddefs.el.gz...
> > uncompressing cl-loaddefs.el.gz...done
> > Compilation finished.
> > ```
> >
> > Expectation:
> >
> > This behavior is observed when any packages in ~/.emacs.d/elpa/
> > autoloads and require cl-lib, org or tramp as well.
> >
> > The simple act of requiring a built-in Emacs package should not trigger
> > a JIT native compilation on an Emacs installation built with
> > `--with-native-compilation=aot`.
>
> And it doesn't. cl-loaddefs has the "no-native-compile: t" thingy in
> the file-local variables, so the native-compilation does nothing.
>
> So I don't see any bug here, and I'm closing this bug.

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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-06-03 13:54   ` Jimmy Wong
@ 2023-06-03 14:02   ` Jimmy Wong
  2023-06-03 14:11     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-06-03 14:05   ` Jimmy Wong
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jimmy Wong @ 2023-06-03 14:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 63871-done

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The problem is this:

1. There’s no-native-compile:r set in the file, so a eln file was never produced.
2. nativecomp does not know which file should not be compiled until it opens the file
3. Whenever a require is encountered, nativecomp can’t find its eln, doesn’t know it can’t be compiled until it reads the file, and it can’t read the file until it unzips the file.
4. This unnecessary work is done every time any package requires one of these packages that cannot be compiled, again and again, generating an extra buffer that mess up the buffer orders in the buffer list.

On 3 Jun 2023 at 2:50 PM +0100, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, wrote:
> > From: Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2023 14:22:41 +0100
> >
> >
> > Reproduction:
> >
> > 1. emacs -q -nsl --eval="(require 'cl-lib)"
> > 2. C-x b TAB
> > 3. Select *Async-native-compile-log*
> > 4. The following is printed
> >
> > ```emacs-lisp
> > Compiling /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.91/lisp/emacs-lisp/cl-loaddefs.el.gz...
> > uncompressing cl-loaddefs.el.gz...
> > uncompressing cl-loaddefs.el.gz...done
> > Compilation finished.
> > ```
> >
> > Expectation:
> >
> > This behavior is observed when any packages in ~/.emacs.d/elpa/
> > autoloads and require cl-lib, org or tramp as well.
> >
> > The simple act of requiring a built-in Emacs package should not trigger
> > a JIT native compilation on an Emacs installation built with
> > `--with-native-compilation=aot`.
>
> And it doesn't. cl-loaddefs has the "no-native-compile: t" thingy in
> the file-local variables, so the native-compilation does nothing.
>
> So I don't see any bug here, and I'm closing this bug.

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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-06-03 13:54   ` Jimmy Wong
  2023-06-03 14:02   ` Jimmy Wong
@ 2023-06-03 14:05   ` Jimmy Wong
  2023-06-03 14:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jimmy Wong @ 2023-06-03 14:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 63871-done

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When there’s a package or a file that should not be natively compiled, there should be a global blacklist variable that controls that instead of relying on a file local variable in order to short circuit this behavior.
On 3 Jun 2023 at 2:50 PM +0100, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, wrote:
> > From: Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2023 14:22:41 +0100
> >
> >
> > Reproduction:
> >
> > 1. emacs -q -nsl --eval="(require 'cl-lib)"
> > 2. C-x b TAB
> > 3. Select *Async-native-compile-log*
> > 4. The following is printed
> >
> > ```emacs-lisp
> > Compiling /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.91/lisp/emacs-lisp/cl-loaddefs.el.gz...
> > uncompressing cl-loaddefs.el.gz...
> > uncompressing cl-loaddefs.el.gz...done
> > Compilation finished.
> > ```
> >
> > Expectation:
> >
> > This behavior is observed when any packages in ~/.emacs.d/elpa/
> > autoloads and require cl-lib, org or tramp as well.
> >
> > The simple act of requiring a built-in Emacs package should not trigger
> > a JIT native compilation on an Emacs installation built with
> > `--with-native-compilation=aot`.
>
> And it doesn't. cl-loaddefs has the "no-native-compile: t" thingy in
> the file-local variables, so the native-compilation does nothing.
>
> So I don't see any bug here, and I'm closing this bug.

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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 13:54   ` Jimmy Wong
@ 2023-06-03 14:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-06-03 14:11       ` Jimmy Wong
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-06-03 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jimmy Wong; +Cc: 63871

> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 14:54:22 +0100
> From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> Cc: 63871-done@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> The problem is not that it does something when it compiles, the problem is it should not have triggered
> a compilation at all and pops up a buffer.

??? Why?  Loading a package could legitimately load other packages.
Emacs worked like that since about forever.  What is special in this
particular case?

And what do you mean by "pops up a buffer"?  When I reproduce your
recipe, no buffer is popped on display.

> This messes up the buffer order when restoring a session
> with desktop mode on restart.

Messes up how?

And what do you expect from the buffer order when you restart a
session using desktop.el?





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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 14:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-06-03 14:11       ` Jimmy Wong
  2023-06-03 14:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jimmy Wong @ 2023-06-03 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 63871

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I expect the buffer orders in the buffer list to be restored when desktop mode restores a session, not have an async native compile log buffer inserted at the top so I can quickly switch to the second to last buffer I was working on before the restart.
On 3 Jun 2023 at 3:08 PM +0100, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, wrote:
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 14:54:22 +0100
> > From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> > Cc: 63871-done@debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > The problem is not that it does something when it compiles, the problem is it should not have triggered
> > a compilation at all and pops up a buffer.
>
> ??? Why? Loading a package could legitimately load other packages.
> Emacs worked like that since about forever. What is special in this
> particular case?
>
> And what do you mean by "pops up a buffer"? When I reproduce your
> recipe, no buffer is popped on display.
>
> > This messes up the buffer order when restoring a session
> > with desktop mode on restart.
>
> Messes up how?
>
> And what do you expect from the buffer order when you restart a
> session using desktop.el?

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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 14:02   ` Jimmy Wong
@ 2023-06-03 14:11     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-06-03 14:15       ` Jimmy Wong
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-06-03 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jimmy Wong; +Cc: 63871

> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:02:18 +0100
> From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> Cc: 63871-done@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> The problem is this:
> 
> 1 There’s no-native-compile:r set in the file, so a eln file was never produced.
> 2 nativecomp does not know which file should not be compiled until it opens the file
> 3 Whenever a require is encountered, nativecomp can’t find its eln, doesn’t know it can’t be compiled
>  until it reads the file, and it can’t read the file until it unzips the file.
> 4 This unnecessary work is done every time any package requires one of these packages that
>  cannot be compiled, again and again, generating an extra buffer that mess up the buffer orders in
>  the buffer list.

Sorry, I don't see any problem.  This is normal and expected behavior,
and one more buffer cannot possibly be a problem.  Especially since
that buffer will be created soon enough anyway, once you load some
previously-uncompiled package.

I fail to understand why another buffer could be a problem.

I don't see any bug here.





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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 14:05   ` Jimmy Wong
@ 2023-06-03 14:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-06-03 14:17       ` Jimmy Wong
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-06-03 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jimmy Wong; +Cc: 63871

> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:05:06 +0100
> From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> Cc: 63871-done@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> When there’s a package or a file that should not be natively compiled, there should be a global
> blacklist variable that controls that instead of relying on a file local variable in order to short circuit this
> behavior.

We decided against that.  (A blacklist would unnecessarily complicate
any changes in our decisions which file to compile and which not to
compile.)  We think what we have now is perfectly fine.  I still don't
understand why you see a problem there.  It's perhaps unexpected, but
that's all.  It's a buffer users normally don't need to look into.
The alternatives are worse, sometimes much worse.





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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 14:11     ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-06-03 14:15       ` Jimmy Wong
  2023-06-03 14:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jimmy Wong @ 2023-06-03 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 63871

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Unless you’ve set package-native-compile to t so you’ll rarely see this buffer. Installing new packages is not a frequent operation in normal Emacs usage, and when a user installs a new package and loads it, he’ll expect that buffer, not when simply having a package that requires that a package.
On 3 Jun 2023 at 3:10 PM +0100, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, wrote:
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:02:18 +0100
> > From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> > Cc: 63871-done@debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > The problem is this:
> >
> > 1 There’s no-native-compile:r set in the file, so a eln file was never produced.
> > 2 nativecomp does not know which file should not be compiled until it opens the file
> > 3 Whenever a require is encountered, nativecomp can’t find its eln, doesn’t know it can’t be compiled
> > until it reads the file, and it can’t read the file until it unzips the file.
> > 4 This unnecessary work is done every time any package requires one of these packages that
> > cannot be compiled, again and again, generating an extra buffer that mess up the buffer orders in
> > the buffer list.
>
> Sorry, I don't see any problem. This is normal and expected behavior,
> and one more buffer cannot possibly be a problem. Especially since
> that buffer will be created soon enough anyway, once you load some
> previously-uncompiled package.
>
> I fail to understand why another buffer could be a problem.
>
> I don't see any bug here.

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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 14:11       ` Jimmy Wong
@ 2023-06-03 14:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-06-03 14:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jimmy Wong; +Cc: 63871

> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:11:05 +0100
> From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> Cc: 63871@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> I expect the buffer orders in the buffer list to be restored when desktop mode restores a session, not
> have an async native compile log buffer inserted at the top so I can quickly switch to the second to last
> buffer I was working on before the restart.

This expectation is incorrect.  desktop.el doesn't (and cannot)
promise that no new buffers will be created as part of restoring the
session.

If this gets in the way of some of your workflows, you can easily
write some Lisp for your init file, which will bury this buffer.





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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 14:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-06-03 14:17       ` Jimmy Wong
  2023-06-03 14:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jimmy Wong @ 2023-06-03 14:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 63871

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I’m not entirely sure why but fine. How do I configure Emacs in such a way that whenever this buffer is created, it is buried?
On 3 Jun 2023 at 3:13 PM +0100, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, wrote:
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:05:06 +0100
> > From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> > Cc: 63871-done@debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > When there’s a package or a file that should not be natively compiled, there should be a global
> > blacklist variable that controls that instead of relying on a file local variable in order to short circuit this
> > behavior.
>
> We decided against that. (A blacklist would unnecessarily complicate
> any changes in our decisions which file to compile and which not to
> compile.) We think what we have now is perfectly fine. I still don't
> understand why you see a problem there. It's perhaps unexpected, but
> that's all. It's a buffer users normally don't need to look into.
> The alternatives are worse, sometimes much worse.

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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 14:15       ` Jimmy Wong
@ 2023-06-03 14:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-06-03 14:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jimmy Wong; +Cc: 63871

> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:15:05 +0100
> From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> Cc: 63871@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Unless you’ve set package-native-compile to t so you’ll rarely see this buffer. Installing new packages
> is not a frequent operation in normal Emacs usage, and when a user installs a new package and loads
> it, he’ll expect that buffer, not when simply having a package that requires that a package.

I still don't see how it matters.  Emacs generates such buffers in
many places, and it never is a or should be a problem.





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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 14:17       ` Jimmy Wong
@ 2023-06-03 14:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-06-03 14:50           ` Jimmy Wong
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-06-03 14:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jimmy Wong; +Cc: 63871

> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:17:22 +0100
> From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> Cc: 63871@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> I’m not entirely sure why but fine. How do I configure Emacs in such a way that whenever this buffer is
> created, it is buried?

Add a call to bury-buffer to the end of your init file.





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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 14:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-06-03 14:50           ` Jimmy Wong
  2023-06-03 15:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jimmy Wong @ 2023-06-03 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 63871

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Thanks. I ended up advising get-buffer-create instead as I don’t know how to add a hook to buffer-list-update-hook and not run into an infinite loop.
On 3 Jun 2023 at 3:25 PM +0100, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, wrote:
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:17:22 +0100
> > From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> > Cc: 63871@debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > I’m not entirely sure why but fine. How do I configure Emacs in such a way that whenever this buffer is
> > created, it is buried?
>
> Add a call to bury-buffer to the end of your init file.

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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 14:50           ` Jimmy Wong
@ 2023-06-03 15:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-06-03 15:11               ` Jimmy Wong
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-06-03 15:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jimmy Wong; +Cc: 63871

> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:50:37 +0100
> From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> Cc: 63871@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Thanks. I ended up advising get-buffer-create instead as I don’t know how to add a hook to
> buffer-list-update-hook and not run into an infinite loop.

My suggestion would be to add this function to
desktop-after-read-hook.  Did you try that?





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* bug#63871: 29.0.91; JIT native comp triggered to compile loaddefs repeatedly on require
  2023-06-03 15:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-06-03 15:11               ` Jimmy Wong
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jimmy Wong @ 2023-06-03 15:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 63871

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Thanks, I’m aware of that hook. I just always wanted it to be buried whenever it is created. I suspect this perhaps can be put into nativecomp as an enhancement.
On 3 Jun 2023 at 4:04 PM +0100, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, wrote:
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:50:37 +0100
> > From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
> > Cc: 63871@debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > Thanks. I ended up advising get-buffer-create instead as I don’t know how to add a hook to
> > buffer-list-update-hook and not run into an infinite loop.
>
> My suggestion would be to add this function to
> desktop-after-read-hook. Did you try that?

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