From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:48:02 +0200 Message-ID: <83d2w351il.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87sj52juwu.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> <834nhh5x1y.fsf@gnu.org> <87ip5xp4yv.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> <83txpg509x.fsf@gnu.org> <87621w72th.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> <83mwv83ydi.fsf@gnu.org> <87pq04hway.fsf@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1360792118 2854 80.91.229.3 (13 Feb 2013 21:48:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen.berman@gmx.net, 13690@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 13 22:48:57 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kCG-0005KS-7K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:48:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41817 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kBw-0001Ta-OE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39190) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kBs-0001Rz-Hx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kBp-0007lb-D2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:32 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49171) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kBp-0007lX-A1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kCM-0002r5-76 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:49:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13690 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13690-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13690.136079210610930 (code B ref 13690); Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13690) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2013 21:48:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54635 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kBl-0002qF-LH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:54902) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kBi-0002q5-Dm for 13690@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:23 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MI600400HTGOP00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 13690@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:47:47 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MI6004N4HVNFQ60@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:47:47 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87pq04hway.fsf@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:71212 Archived-At: > From: Dmitry Gutov > Cc: Stephen Berman , 13690@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:02:13 +0400 > > > . Since those changes were made, 2.5 years ago, I heard _zero_ > > complaints about this behavior; you are the first one. By > > I don't think that's true anymore. You should at least remember the bug > I posted relatively recently: > > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=13133 OK, so he is the 2nd one since June 2010. How does that change the picture? > Like I explained in the bug above, the current behavior creates problems > in edge cases. So a users can choose the values that "work almost right, > but not exactly". Every behavior can be problematic in some edge cases. Anyway, I'm not part to this argument. I don't customize scroll-conservatively (or any other of the scroll-* options). I just coded it like users who complained wanted. Judging by the silence since then, I'd say the change was mostly right. But if I'm wrong, someone else can come up and code something different.