From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:46:22 +0300 Message-ID: <83d2da9x81.fsf@gnu.org> References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> <83r41r9jkw.fsf@gnu.org> <005901cf9dff$7ba313a0$72e93ae0$@tahoestores.com> <83egxq9zqy.fsf@gnu.org> <006f01cf9e08$02536320$06fa2960$@tahoestores.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1405194448 30160 80.91.229.3 (12 Jul 2014 19:47:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org To: Joel F Rodriguez Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 12 21:47:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X63GQ-0007IU-0s for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:47:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50167 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X63GP-0006xd-Lk for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:47:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48221) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X63GH-0006wd-5I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:47:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X63GA-0003lI-SY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:47:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:32957) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X63GA-0003l2-PW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:47:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X63GA-0007Z9-Dm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:47:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.140519438529029 (code B ref 18001); Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:47:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2014 19:46:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40928 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X63FY-0007Y8-9k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:46:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:33210) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X63FV-0007Xt-3M for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:46:22 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N8M00A006BMGC00@mtaout24.012.net.il> for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:42:32 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N8M007B56QWI440@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:42:32 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <006f01cf9e08$02536320$06fa2960$@tahoestores.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:91471 Archived-At: > From: "Joel F Rodriguez" > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:32:24 -0700 > > Oh well, win some lose some. > > The emacs option -nw according to the docs: > > -nw, --no-window-system > Tell Emacs not to create a graphical frame. If you > use > this switch when invoking Emacs from an xterm(1) > window, > display is done in that window. > > Hence, the default is a graphical frame. The text window created in a > graphical frame is fixed width regardless of the size of the window. In > fact, some window sizes rendered the fixed width text frame unreadable. > > A text-terminal is more akin to the old console device or to the dec vt100 > display terminals. But even today's consoles, rescale the window size to > some extent. > > Running a remote ssh bears little resemblance to a text-terminal. This has > been true for a decade or more. When you say "run Emacs via ssh", every reasonable human being will understand that you are running a text-mode session in the ssh shell window. If what you actually meant is X over ssh, you should have said that explicitly. In addition, running an X over ssh session, which is indeed a graphical one, the size of the Emacs frame can be controlled either by command-line arguments or by resizing the frame with the mouse. You have been told that in the initial response to your report. For the details, please see the Emacs manual. (And I don't appreciate your making this a personal dispute by consistently omitting the bug address from the CC list and writing only to me personally. Please stop.)