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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net
Subject: bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD=<non-pure-expression> gives confusing results
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:40:16 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83d1mkc92n.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <39c015f2-3ebf-43e8-9a37-9b50382042a7@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 10 Jul 2016 10:18:27 -0700 (PDT))

> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 10:18:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> It can sometimes make a lot of sense for a defcustom to use a sexp
> that might not return the same result when reevaluated.

One way to do that while avoiding the issue at hand is to define a
'set' function to do the job, instead of doing it explicitly in the
initialization value.

> The original bug, from which this report is an offshoot, was #4755.
> The example there used this defcustom sexp: `(copy-sequence foo)'.
> 
> And in the context of the using code there is nothing wrong with
> such a sexp: the intention is really to use, as default value, a
> (new) list whose elements are the (exact same) elements as those
> in the list `foo'.

I guess it's crystal-clear now what's wrong with such a sexp.

> The problem is not with being able to make use of such a sexp for
> the default value.  The problem is with how Emacs talks about the
> state of the option value.  It miscommunicates to users.  That's
> what this bug is about: how Emacs talks about what is going on.

Emacs says the truth: the value of the defcustom was changed behind
Customize's back.

And since I've already said all that once before, let's stop going in
circles.  Nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree.





  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-11 18:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]     ` <<8337nihpdw.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-09 14:59       ` bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD=<non-pure-expression> gives confusing results Drew Adams
2016-07-09 16:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 20:48           ` npostavs
2016-07-10 14:19             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]           ` <<871t32ilm0.fsf@users.sourceforge.net>
     [not found]             ` <<83k2gtfue4.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-10 17:18               ` Drew Adams
2016-07-11 18:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
     [not found] <<<<<CAM-tV-8cG3gLgf-A+wBYPZWNy2WPGFV3uEdNE7=ad3oq4rXmnw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <<<<<83vb0fgu83.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<<<443f2e44-5167-48e7-abc6-cce1e243461e@default>
     [not found]     ` <<<<8337nihpdw.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<<c0dd88c2-51ef-4f4f-964c-f0254db970f7@default>
     [not found]         ` <<<83zipqg3e3.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <<ff33c2cc-337a-433b-a87a-0ea1814311d2@default>
     [not found]             ` <<83bn24c8io.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-12  0:53               ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<CAM-tV-8cG3gLgf-A+wBYPZWNy2WPGFV3uEdNE7=ad3oq4rXmnw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <<83vb0fgu83.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-09 14:09   ` Drew Adams
2016-07-09 14:12     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]       ` <<c0dd88c2-51ef-4f4f-964c-f0254db970f7@default>
     [not found]         ` <<83zipqg3e3.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-10 17:18           ` Drew Adams
2016-07-11 18:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09  3:11 Noam Postavsky
2016-07-09  6:31 ` Drew Adams
2016-07-09  7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 11:54   ` npostavs
2016-07-09 12:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 12:55       ` Noam Postavsky
2016-07-09 13:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 13:48           ` Noam Postavsky
2016-07-09 14:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-12  3:26               ` npostavs
2016-07-12  5:20                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 14:34             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]             ` <<8360sehps4.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-09 14:54               ` Drew Adams
2016-07-09 15:09                 ` Drew Adams
2016-07-10 17:23                 ` Drew Adams
2023-10-17 14:19 ` bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD=<non-constant-expression> " Mauro Aranda
2023-10-17 14:29   ` Mauro Aranda
     [not found] <<<<CAM-tV-8cG3gLgf-A+wBYPZWNy2WPGFV3uEdNE7=ad3oq4rXmnw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <<<<83vb0fgu83.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<<443f2e44-5167-48e7-abc6-cce1e243461e@default>

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