From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30241: Emacs 26.0.91: "Generalized variables" are not defined. Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 13:24:50 +0200 Message-ID: <83d11d2ikd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20180124200652.GA4493@ACM> <83h8r8ln7u.fsf@gnu.org> <41654c7c-2d8d-44ec-a5c4-dd12014b7a9e@default> <83o9lfk2sy.fsf@gnu.org> <83r2q3d6lb.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1518261871 16979 195.159.176.226 (10 Feb 2018 11:24:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 30241@debbugs.gnu.org To: acm@muc.de Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 10 12:24:27 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ekTGJ-0002zl-EO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 12:24:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56684 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekTIL-00075x-0Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:26:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58639) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekTID-00075A-Cv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:26:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekTIA-0007C5-Oh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:26:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:56465) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekTIA-0007BK-HZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:26:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ekTIA-00066R-4h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:26:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30241 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 30241-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30241.151826192023402 (code B ref 30241); Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:26:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 30241) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2018 11:25:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36128 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ekTHU-00065O-Cc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:25:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38404) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ekTHS-00063k-4c for 30241@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:25:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekTHK-0006CQ-9e for 30241@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:25:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37878) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekTHK-0006CI-6Y; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:25:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3510 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ekTHH-0003S7-7O; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:25:08 -0500 In-reply-to: <83r2q3d6lb.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 02 Feb 2018 12:33:04 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:143086 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 12:33:04 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 30241@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:34:53 +0200 > > From: Eli Zaretskii > > Cc: acm@muc.de, 30241@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > I think you'll see a difference - it is, IMO, "significantly > > > different". > > > > Actually, no, I didn't. I do see some additional explanations that > > might have helped Alan understand the issue, but nothing > > "significant". So much so that I doubt Alan will find the CL docs > > helpful after disliking our docs of the same subject, as he did, based > > on his original bug report. Of course, it's possible that I'm missing > > something here. > > > > Therefore, I invite Alan (and anyone else who'd like to chime in) to > > please compare the CL docs on this matter with ours, and tell what > > parts of the former made the issue "fall into place" (pun intended) > > wrt this topic, where our docs don't. Bonus points for proposing > > patches for the relevant parts of the ELisp manual, to make this > > subject's documentation "significantly" better. > > Alan, any inputs on this? As you disliked the current text so much, > I'd like to fix it if possible for Emacs 26.1. Ping!