From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32931: time-stamp-format: offer numeric time zones too Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 23:04:56 +0200 Message-ID: <83d0e3e6tj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <9939.1573160269@tigger3.sg.gildea.net> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="82438"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 32931@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org To: Stephen Gildea Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 07 22:06:14 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iSoys-000LIo-6j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 22:06:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48080 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iSoyq-000342-1z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:06:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35365) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iSoyj-00033O-NL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:06:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iSoyh-00082L-O4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:06:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35177) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iSoyf-00081R-UX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:06:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSoyf-0000pa-LT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:06:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32931 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 32931-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32931.15731607203138 (code B ref 32931); Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32931) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Nov 2019 21:05:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43998 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSoy0-0000oY-Av for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:05:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54077) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSoxz-0000oI-1N for 32931@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:05:19 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51492) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iSoxs-0007Hi-5G; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:05:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2138 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iSoxq-00048l-QH; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:05:11 -0500 In-reply-to: <9939.1573160269@tigger3.sg.gildea.net> (message from Stephen Gildea on Thu, 07 Nov 2019 12:57:49 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:171112 Archived-At: > From: Stephen Gildea > cc: 32931@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org, > Robert Pluim > Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 12:57:49 -0800 > > In September I updated the documentation for changes implemented > previously; that commit included a section in NEWS. I will eventually > document the change that sparked this discussion, too, and I'll add it > to NEWS at the same time. > > So while I am aware of my responsibility to document, I am also > mindful of my responsibility to not document yet. Thanks, but IME deferring the update of documentation for these reasons is a mistake. It frequently causes us to forget to make those deferred updates, and more importantly, it leaves those who use the development snapshots with outdated or lacking documentation. I understand the wish to avoid unnecessary rework, but I don't think there's a way around that.