From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14086: 24.3.50; `substitute-command-keys': inappropriate "(that binding is currently shadowed by another mode)" Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 07:45:32 +0300 Message-ID: <83d01xe0wj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <0FF2F801815441C3B5385CE3202E16A0@us.oracle.com> <87364basd9.fsf@gnus.org> <875z7rdksc.fsf@web.de> <87a6x2t7nh.fsf@gnus.org> <10de7711-3a84-4e13-ae38-be2b4c93e0fe@default> <83h7r9etmi.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4670"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, 14086@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 05 06:46:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kPIO5-000173-16 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 06:46:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55400 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPIO4-0006TH-3V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 00:46:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48432) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPINu-0006Sr-94 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 00:46:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35762) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPINt-0006AY-W6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 00:46:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kPINt-0004v1-TW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 00:46:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 04:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14086 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 14086-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14086.160187314618886 (code B ref 14086); Mon, 05 Oct 2020 04:46:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14086) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2020 04:45:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47308 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kPINZ-0004uT-D0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 00:45:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41472) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kPINY-0004uH-7Q for 14086@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 00:45:40 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52037) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPINS-00062O-6B; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 00:45:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3770 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kPINR-0005n4-1R; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 00:45:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 4 Oct 2020 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT)) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:189784 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, 14086@debbugs.gnu.org > > > It doesn't have to mean nothing. You can point your browser at > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commi > > t/?id=64d2e5a7a__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!IsQgpRqg8hn3L0tWsgCncaPbIHrmy6RrrNCHsgA- > > PbKAeR3z2EbhlmIutmY38TT0$ > > > > and se the changes. Note that everything in that URL is fixed, apart > > from the commit ID, which is what Lars mentioned. So that ID is a > > unique ID of the changeset, and you can always find it as above. > > That's good to know. Thank you. > > I suppose I can bookmark that URL, and then, if > I ever need to point my browser to a given commit ID, > I can go there and then edit the "id" value to that ID. > > That's hardly something I'd want to have to do, I'm afraid. Why not? it is very simple. In general, if you want to be involved with Emacs development (or any software development, really) nowadays, you are expected to access the repository in some way and be able to review changes given their commit ID. Not having a local checkout of the repository is already quite unusual; refusing to even go to the Web interface of the repository is more than brow-raising. > In any case, I think the patch, or a good description - not > just a commit ID -belongs in this bug thread explicitly. That is extra burden for people who develop and maintain Emacs.