From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Howard Melman <hmelman@gmail.com>
Cc: 41129@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#41129: outline-mode: New keybindings for demote/promote/move-subtree
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:22:38 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83czxm8c1t.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <lytuqyp8ft.fsf@Lumet2.home> (message from Howard Melman on Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:48:38 -0500)
> From: Howard Melman <hmelman@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:48:38 -0500
>
> > This command has two bindings not because of its importance, but
> > because other programs out there use those bindings. Emacs is
> > following the expectations of the users here.
>
> Ok, but in emacs they expect and need both?
Yes, because some applications support one and others the other key
binding.
> How do they adjust in org mode? Or is this a complaint that users of
> right-word have in org-mode? Would users of outline-minor-mode
> adjust similarly?
The bindings have nothing to do with bidirectional text. C-<RIGHT>
and C-<LEFT> (and the corresponding M- bindings) have a meaning in
strict left-to-right text as well: they move by words in the
corresponding directions.
> Does outline-mode support right-to-left oriented outlines?
> Does org?
Yes to both questions, but again: the issue at hand has nothing to do
with bidirectional editing.
> I'm guessing not because then these arrow key bindings would want to
> adjust demote/promote behavior accordingly. Should they?
That's a separate issue, for which I have no definite opinions to
offer. I chimed in to set the record straight on these bindings
regardless of Org or Outline. Whether rebinding these to
level-related commands will or will not confuse users of Org and
Outline is something for those users to say.
> Maybe these bindings could be in another minor-mode that
> could be enabled by those users that want them?
> outline-use-org-bindings-minor-mode.
I think the idea is that many users want them.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-01-30 19:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-07 20:49 bug#41129: outline-mode: New keybindings for demote/promote/move-subtree Stefan Kangas
2020-05-08 17:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-28 6:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-28 9:39 ` Pankaj Jangid
2021-01-28 15:07 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-29 4:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-29 20:06 ` Howard Melman
2021-01-29 22:01 ` bug#41129: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-01-30 6:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-30 17:39 ` Howard Melman
2021-01-30 18:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-30 18:48 ` Howard Melman
2021-01-30 19:22 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-01-30 19:40 ` Howard Melman
2021-01-30 19:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-03 19:10 ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-09 10:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-09 14:31 ` Howard Melman
2022-05-10 2:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-11 7:10 ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-11 10:37 ` Visuwesh
2022-05-11 11:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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