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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Howard Melman <hmelman@gmail.com>
Cc: 41129@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#41129: outline-mode: New keybindings for demote/promote/move-subtree
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:22:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83czxm8c1t.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <lytuqyp8ft.fsf@Lumet2.home> (message from Howard Melman on Sat,  30 Jan 2021 13:48:38 -0500)

> From: Howard Melman <hmelman@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:48:38 -0500
> 
> > This command has two bindings not because of its importance, but
> > because other programs out there use those bindings.  Emacs is
> > following the expectations of the users here.
> 
> Ok, but in emacs they expect and need both?

Yes, because some applications support one and others the other key
binding.

> How do they adjust in org mode? Or is this a complaint that users of
> right-word have in org-mode? Would users of outline-minor-mode
> adjust similarly?

The bindings have nothing to do with bidirectional text.  C-<RIGHT>
and C-<LEFT> (and the corresponding M- bindings) have a meaning in
strict left-to-right text as well: they move by words in the
corresponding directions.

> Does outline-mode support right-to-left oriented outlines?
> Does org?

Yes to both questions, but again: the issue at hand has nothing to do
with bidirectional editing.

> I'm guessing not because then these arrow key bindings would want to
> adjust demote/promote behavior accordingly.  Should they?

That's a separate issue, for which I have no definite opinions to
offer.  I chimed in to set the record straight on these bindings
regardless of Org or Outline.  Whether rebinding these to
level-related commands will or will not confuse users of Org and
Outline is something for those users to say.

> Maybe these bindings could be in another minor-mode that
> could be enabled by those users that want them?
> outline-use-org-bindings-minor-mode. 

I think the idea is that many users want them.





  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-30 19:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-07 20:49 bug#41129: outline-mode: New keybindings for demote/promote/move-subtree Stefan Kangas
2020-05-08 17:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-28  6:28   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-28  9:39     ` Pankaj Jangid
2021-01-28 15:07       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-29  4:49         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-29 20:06           ` Howard Melman
2021-01-29 22:01             ` bug#41129: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-01-30  6:23             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-30 17:39               ` Howard Melman
2021-01-30 18:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-30 18:48                   ` Howard Melman
2021-01-30 19:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-01-30 19:40                       ` Howard Melman
2021-01-30 19:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-03 19:10                     ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-09 10:38                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-09 14:31                         ` Howard Melman
2022-05-10  2:03                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-11  7:10                             ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-11 10:37                               ` Visuwesh
2022-05-11 11:56                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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