From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#60587: Patch for adding links to symbols' help documentation Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:11:18 +0200 Message-ID: <83cz6zaxjt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86y1qgr1bf.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <86tu13qydg.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <83h6x2u74b.fsf@gnu.org> <863588rfos.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <83o7qw0yjy.fsf@gnu.org> <864jskx6a8.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <831qnomh6l.fsf@gnu.org> <86wn5anw04.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <86h6wboe2v.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4251"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de, 60587@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 28 09:20:16 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgRb-0000xm-Rs for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 09:20:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgOY-0006Zj-EX; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:17:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgJe-00062i-Uk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:12:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgJe-0007z7-MQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:12:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgJe-0008Nk-6G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:12:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 08:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 60587 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 60587-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B60587.167489350132182 (code B ref 60587); Sat, 28 Jan 2023 08:12:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 60587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jan 2023 08:11:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39449 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgJI-0008N0-UF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:11:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44052) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgJF-0008Mh-J3 for 60587@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:11:40 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgJ9-0007rn-CP; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:11:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=UoxNUeU3VWPVfOzUnRfiXCjHb5liU+WZZdHSXnN7r1w=; b=ibb7ahnE8qRT VSYN9KlcwJriUDeyYQlhmr35+w/co4Op5p6Qp8xCV08CQXOh/u5+N0QizmkaCCuDLrtMnLgXC/3bD wAH4wVMLKOO4hAhSLURn0iwY85VNaYrblzOeFnz1BzLxjLm0bGafXgSp0h+KvNYFCjOaFS0MMz/Ux 8/YJiIjv/yYajY5den7ilub2cEGJHdFtd9venHFf7vbeyozb/evau1S8eNrtQicsIt8LiTf5KK60x JPQYty9pkwQU+CY8Az2s70kQccCeAxdZC5WgjMbJqADMNDnRZmI8E5tvhNGIJ9lLIT9OP6mysvoTt mAEXrKYCMoRGbmrIrpWxFg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgJ8-0001mr-JT; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:11:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 27 Jan 2023 23:13:36 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:254292 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > CC: Eli Zaretskii , > "60587@debbugs.gnu.org" > <60587@debbugs.gnu.org>, > "monnier@iro.umontreal.ca" > > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 23:13:36 +0000 > > > > 5. Face `info-color' should be named something like > > > `info-symbol-help-link'. > > > > You're right, `info-color' is too minimalist and not describing what the > > object represents. > > > > (I dropped it completely because I realised an additional face is > > redundant since Info distinguishes (slightly) quoted symbols from the > > text, anyway.) > > I think it's _good_ to have a separate face for this. I disagree that another face is a Good Thing. We have too many of them already. > That gives users the choice: > > * Have the same appearance for both kinds of link. > * Have the two kinds of link (Info, *Help*) look > different. > > When you provide two faces, users can always customize > them to look the same, if they like. Otherwise, they > don't have that possibility. The downside of having a separate face is the need to know about it and customize it separately. So an additional face is not just an advantage, it is also a disadvantage. Thus, we should introduce new faces only if they really are for a different purpose. This one isn't.