From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#68246: 30.0.50; Add non-TS mode as extra parent of TS modes Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 14:38:44 +0200 Message-ID: <83cyu2eppn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838r53vlo5.fsf@gnu.org> <831qavvcbo.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5phskd5.fsf@gnu.org> <83h6joqz0t.fsf@gnu.org> <834jfoq86m.fsf@gnu.org> <831qarrbjx.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5p84nlh.fsf@gmail.com> <83edekfldq.fsf@gnu.org> <871qajfpr2.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36459"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 68246@debbugs.gnu.org, casouri@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 15 13:40:18 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rPMGI-0009Fl-D8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 13:40:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rPMG5-0005nm-Au; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:40:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rPMG2-0005nH-V0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:40:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rPMG2-0003af-Kf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:40:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rPMG2-0007IR-CQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:40:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 12:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68246 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 68246-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68246.170532234527959 (code B ref 68246); Mon, 15 Jan 2024 12:40:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 68246) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2024 12:39:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44880 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rPMF7-0007Gs-FI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:39:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50384) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rPMF5-0007GP-Sy for 68246@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:39:04 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rPMF0-0003Vo-Oz; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:38:58 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=FzZ3xXj0AINvP67i/7Fb7N0G+QHVo6MoC5lg9DbKCm4=; b=TO9bsqMFIBe8mw9JIDle Q1VgFuSZyqx8qNMDAd/f/bxq0fVj5E67rh62fBCfL1/ep59MRpGzKMFI/VgWQEwkdVwmo4uwg4k0m yYLz+dwLPkaaAMr6lEfFABDkYkWKaUACy2igcXhhXNZPinF3tmjtA7mh2reJ8QcZ9mwB9K8ZGEoEM WN5JLJeCM8keZip1KHzrSaqN7pijpPhyc2R0koItw9UIQ8lMI2Vr3L5l8ZoE++Eeg5cCv4aIYeBg5 iI27fLDDBMvpcrSoDYckEMgYSqxiJouveFtiR8Bd70ATg1855g9tNgy848JEg+T8s3MfL5fBou/bn uznIb/oJWI18dA==; In-Reply-To: <871qajfpr2.fsf@gmail.com> (message from =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= on Sun, 14 Jan 2024 23:40:17 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:278270 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Cc: casouri@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 68246@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 23:40:17 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> However it is not easy to quantify confused users looking to understand > >> the new meaning of things in dir-locals.el. Or users wondering why they > >> need to set Eglot variables in both 'c++-mode-hook' and > >> 'c++-ts-mode-hook' when all they see is 'c++-mode' in > >> 'eglot-server-programs'. > > > > Those users will hopefully submit bug reports or otherwise complain on > > the Emacs mailing lists, and then we will know. > > You also know this doesn't always happen. It's our only reliable instrument of getting feedback for our decisions. > > The recommendation is to use base modes where it makes sense, and the > > installed changes around derived-mode-add-parents don't in any way > > preclude having a base mode and don't make it harder. But I don't > > think we should force everyone in this situation to invent a base mode > > as the sole means for solving this. > > We can invent for them. Yes, but only where it makes sense. For example, an empty base mode doesn't. > An empty base mode is useful just for its hook and its behaviour in > dir-locals, for example. No, it is completely useless, and we shouldn't introduce such modes.