* bug#8597: horrible default colors for emacs -nw @ 2011-04-30 16:09 Drew Adams 2011-04-30 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2011-04-30 16:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 8597 In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-04-25 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/imagesupport/include' 1. The region is a dark blue that does not invert the black foreground. So selected text is illegible. 2. When sending a bug report the To and Subject lines have yellow text (on a white background). Illegible. Other text, such as "--text follows this line--" is cyan on white - also too light a color to be legible. 3. About the only reasonable color used for sending a bug report is for the field names (e.g. From:) - that uses a dark green. All the rest is ridiculous: magenta, yellow, light cyan foregrounds on a white background - by default? What were you thinking? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#8597: horrible default colors for emacs -nw 2011-04-30 16:09 bug#8597: horrible default colors for emacs -nw Drew Adams @ 2011-04-30 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-04-30 18:14 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-04-30 17:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 8597 > From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:09:03 -0700 > > 1. The region is a dark blue that does not invert the black foreground. It never did. If we want to change the foreground, we need to specify it for the `region' face. > So selected text is illegible. What foreground color is the selected text, and what is the background of the `default' face? In fact, could you please provide a recipe starting from "emacs -Q -nw"? > 2. When sending a bug report the To and Subject lines have yellow text (on a > white background). Illegible. Other text, such as "--text follows this line--" > is cyan on white - also too light a color to be legible. How did you get to the white background? The default background of "emacs -nw" on Windows is black. Again, please provide a full recipe. If I start with "emacs -Q -nw", then change the fore- and back-ground colors of the `default' face to black and white, respectively (so at least my background is as yours), then type "M-x report-emacs-bug", I get the `message-header-name' whose foreground is "corneflower blue" (mapped to cyan), not yellow. And the "--text follows this line--" part is shown in brown (displays as a kind of light yellowish color). They are quite legible (although the white background is too glaring to my taste; but then it isn't the default). But you describe entirely different colors. > 3. About the only reasonable color used for sending a bug report is for the > field names (e.g. From:) - that uses a dark green. All the rest is ridiculous: > magenta, yellow, light cyan foregrounds on a white background - by default? > What were you thinking? I don't know what were "we" thinking, because I don't see any of these colors when I try to reproduce this. Would you please show a complete recipe, starting from "emacs -Q -nw", to reproduce these problems? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#8597: horrible default colors for emacs -nw 2011-04-30 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-04-30 18:14 ` Drew Adams 2011-04-30 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2011-04-30 18:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Eli Zaretskii'; +Cc: 8597 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2653 bytes --] > > 1. The region is a dark blue that does not invert the black > > foreground. > > It never did. If we want to change the foreground, we need to specify > it for the `region' face. My point was only that a black foreground on dark blue is not wonderful. But see below - I think I found the cause, if not the cure. > > So selected text is illegible. > > What foreground color is the selected text, and what is the background > of the `default' face? Black foreground. :background "unspecified-bg" BTW, `M-x customize-face RET default RET' gives me a Customize buffer with a bright yellow background on much of the buffer. See screenshot. > In fact, could you please provide a recipe starting from > "emacs -Q -nw"? 1. For region: emacs -nw, then select some text with the mouse: dark blue background. 2. For the bug-reporting color:, emacs -nw, then `M-x report-emacs-bug RET foobar RET'. But see below. > > 2. When sending a bug report the To and Subject lines have > > yellow text (on a white background). Illegible. Other text, such > > as "--text follows this line--" > > is cyan on white - also too light a color to be legible. > > How did you get to the white background? The default background of > "emacs -nw" on Windows is black. Again, please provide a full recipe. I use a Windows shortcut that has this as Target: C:\path-to\emacs.exe -nw -Q --debug-init "C:\drews-lisp-20" Field Start in is C:\drews-lisp-20 Field Run is `Normal window' However, and this is no doubt the cause of the problem, the shortcut also has these settings for tab `Colors': Screen background: Red, Green, Blue each 255 Selected screen colors: (black) Selected pop-up colors: (a dark magenta/purple) I do not set any Emacs faces (e.g. `region'). This Windows shortcut setting is all I have. I would hope that Emacs could figure out that it is dealing with a light background (dark foreground), but no, I don't know anything about how it might do that. > If I start with "emacs -Q -nw", then change the fore- and back-ground > colors of the `default' face to black and white, respectively (so at > least my background is as yours), then type "M-x report-emacs-bug", I > get the `message-header-name' whose foreground is "corneflower blue" > (mapped to cyan), not yellow. And the "--text follows this line--" > part is shown in brown (displays as a kind of light yellowish color). > They are quite legible (although the white background is too glaring > to my taste; but then it isn't the default). But you describe > entirely different colors. See above. I just double-click my Windows XP shortcut, which is as described above. HTH. [-- Attachment #2: throw-emacs-nw-customize-face.png --] [-- Type: image/png, Size: 17249 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: throw-emacs-nw-report-bug.png --] [-- Type: image/png, Size: 31318 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#8597: horrible default colors for emacs -nw 2011-04-30 18:14 ` Drew Adams @ 2011-04-30 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-04-30 19:26 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-04-30 19:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 8597 > From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> > Cc: <8597@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:14:13 -0700 > > Screen background: Red, Green, Blue each 255 > Selected screen colors: (black) > Selected pop-up colors: (a dark magenta/purple) > > I do not set any Emacs faces (e.g. `region'). This Windows shortcut setting is > all I have. I would hope that Emacs could figure out that it is dealing with a > light background (dark foreground), but no, I don't know anything about how it > might do that. I think Emacs cannot figure out the background mode in a -nw session, at least not in general. There's no interface to the text terminal that can tell it that. But I will try to see if there's something that can be done on Windows specifically. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#8597: horrible default colors for emacs -nw 2011-04-30 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-04-30 19:26 ` Drew Adams 2011-05-07 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2011-04-30 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Eli Zaretskii'; +Cc: 8597 > I think Emacs cannot figure out the background mode in a -nw session, > at least not in general. There's no interface to the text terminal > that can tell it that. But I will try to see if there's something > that can be done on Windows specifically. OK, thanks. If nothing can be done then please close the bug. I think I just copied my shortcut for ordinary Emacs without -nw and then added the -nw. It works fine for ordinary (non -nw) Emacs. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#8597: horrible default colors for emacs -nw 2011-04-30 19:26 ` Drew Adams @ 2011-05-07 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-05-07 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 8597-done > From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> > Cc: <8597@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:26:37 -0700 > > > I think Emacs cannot figure out the background mode in a -nw session, > > at least not in general. There's no interface to the text terminal > > that can tell it that. But I will try to see if there's something > > that can be done on Windows specifically. > > OK, thanks. If nothing can be done then please close the bug. > > I think I just copied my shortcut for ordinary Emacs without -nw and then added > the -nw. It works fine for ordinary (non -nw) Emacs. I fixed this (in revno 104155 on the trunk). xterm.el already queries the terminal about the background color, so I used a similar technique to do the same on the w32 console, except that I needed a new primitive for that. I'm closing this bug. If you see anything wrong with how the new code works with your shortcut, feel free to reopen it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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