From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 12853@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#12853: 24.2.50; doc of `color-defined-p'
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 20:33:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83bof5xq8m.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7DA4A38C21E342A8A4061EC7D8257556@us.oracle.com>
> From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: <12853@debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:12:34 -0800
>
> However, I do not see either of those names returned by `defined-colors', which
> has the same handling of optional arg FRAME as `color-defined-p'. Perhaps that
> function does include those two names sometimes, under some circumstances?
> Dunno - you tell me.
defined-colors will also report only the 8 or 16 colors defined
"natively" on a TTY, while color-defined-p will tell that, say,
"DarkSeaGreen" is also "defined". Here, try this in "emacs -Q -nw":
M-: (defined-colors) RET
=> ("black" "blue" "green" "cyan" "red" "magenta" "brown" "lightgray" "darkgray" "lightblue" "lightgreen" "lightcyan" "lightred" "lightmagenta" "yellow" "white")
But
M-: (color-defined-p "DarkSeaGreen") RET
=> t
So these two functions do not support 1-to-1 correspondence of color
names, as you seem to assume. That's because the purpose of these
functions is different: defined-colors only return the "basic" colors
supported by the current frame, while color-defined-p reports whether
the frame can _display_ a given color.
> If so, then the exceptional treatment of these two pseudo color names
> (recognized as colors sometimes, in some contexts) seems like an ugly kludge.
We need those pseudo-colors to express the unknown fore- and
back-ground colors used by TTY frames on displays that cannot report
what those default colors are. It is a kludge to some extent, because
these colors obviously can be displayed, but having them return
non-nil from color-defined-p gets in the way. This the note in the
doc string.
> In that case, please also mention in the doc that "defined color" is determined
> by function `defined-colors'
It isn't, see above.
> On the other hand, if `defined-colors' in fact always DTRT - never returns those
> noncolors, then the doc for `color-defined-p' should say just what I stated
> originally.
That would remove information that's important for someone who writes
code which manipulates color names at a low level where these
distinctions are important. It was important for me when I did that,
and so I would object to removing this.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-11-10 18:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-11-10 16:46 bug#12853: 24.2.50; doc of `color-defined-p' Drew Adams
2012-11-10 17:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 18:12 ` Drew Adams
2012-11-10 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2012-11-10 18:56 ` Drew Adams
2012-11-10 19:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 19:51 ` Drew Adams
2012-11-10 20:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-23 7:56 ` Chong Yidong
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