From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13055: 24.3.50; `scroll-margin' not always honored in Info buffers Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:46:54 +0200 Message-ID: <83boebrptd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <831uf8tl3d.fsf@gnu.org> <83lidfsspn.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1354556870 16007 80.91.229.3 (3 Dec 2012 17:47:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13055@debbugs.gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 03 18:48:03 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tfa7f-00042t-8F for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 18:48:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37864 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tfa7T-00026C-ET for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:47:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55815) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tfa7M-000266-NR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:47:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tfa7G-000241-QW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:47:44 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:41469) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tfa7G-00023m-N5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:47:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tfa9Z-00052D-Q9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:50:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13055 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 13055-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13055.135455696819307 (code B ref 13055); Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:50:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13055) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Dec 2012 17:49:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51720 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tfa92-00051M-EV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:49:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:37259) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tfa90-00051D-1C for 13055@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:49:26 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MEG00K00UCEL500@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 13055@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:47:01 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MEG00J41UQBY190@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:46:59 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:67852 Archived-At: > From: Juanma Barranquero > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:09:28 +0100 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 13055@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Dani Moncayo wrote: > > > What's the point of distinguishing "motion" and "scrolling" here? > > Not all motions are scrolling. Though, to be fair, Emacs seems to be > treating most of them like scrolls in the sense of honoring > scroll-margin. But this one is not motion at all. Not even remotely. It discards previous text and fills the buffer with an entirely new one. It is immaterial that Backspace is bound to the command called 'Info-scroll-down'. What that command does is go to the previous node in the graph structure of the manual. The "previous" node could be anywhere in the manual, since an Info manual does not have a flat linear structure. You go to a different section, chapter, or even another manual -- all according to what the author put in the Prev link. It's absurd to call this "scrolling".