From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13505: Bug#696026: emacs24: file corruption on saving Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 23:40:14 +0200 Message-ID: <83bocjpm81.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20121215223809.GA7549@xvii.vinc17.org> <877gn8ijgn.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83obgjpzod.fsf@gnu.org> <20130120212508.GF2695@xvii.vinc17.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1358718069 9356 80.91.229.3 (20 Jan 2013 21:41:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 696026-forwarded@bugs.debian.org, 696026@bugs.debian.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org, 13505@debbugs.gnu.org To: Vincent Lefevre Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 20 22:41:27 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2dn-00044t-Ko for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:41:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41774 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2dW-0006SB-Ob for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:41:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53790) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2dU-0006S6-DG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:41:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2dT-0007Nx-3h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:41:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:36422) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2dT-0007Ns-0D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:41:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2eQ-000422-86 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:42:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13505 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13505-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13505.135871809315458 (code B ref 13505); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:42:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13505) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2013 21:41:33 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41886 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2dw-00041H-WE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:41:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:42087) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2dt-000415-IB for 13505@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:41:30 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MGY00C001CE4T00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 13505@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 23:40:00 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MGY00BEZ1IORF90@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 23:40:00 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <20130120212508.GF2695@xvii.vinc17.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:70104 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:25:08 +0100 > From: Vincent Lefevre > Cc: Rob Browning , Kenichi Handa , > 13505@debbugs.gnu.org, 696026-forwarded@bugs.debian.org, > 696026@bugs.debian.org > > On 2013-01-20 18:49:38 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Personally, I don't think there's a bug here. It's a cockpit error. > > Perhaps it isn't a bug at save time. But then, selecting a lossy > encoding by default when visiting the file is the bug (and really > a regression), particularly if this isn't clearly told to the user. The encoding isn't lossy. In any case, I don't really understand your proposal. Suppose the file was indeed encoded in in-is13194-devanagari, would you argue then that selecting it would be incorrect or undesirable behavior? > Actually this is related, since the lossy encoding becomes a real > problem only at save time (and for copy-paste I assume, though the > file doesn't get overwritten by that). It is only a problem when you try to save or otherwise output it (e.g., send in an email). But what you should do then is "C-x RET r raw-text RET", and recover. That is the only way to avoid corruption in files that use inconsistent encoding.