From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 21:34:15 +0300 Message-ID: <83bnd26wns.fsf@gnu.org> References: <55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu> <3aa1fafa-ed4d-4935-8a3e-cae7d0842c5f@default> <83r3ly7rpd.fsf@gnu.org> <55F91EF9.2000302@cs.ucla.edu> <83mvwm7k3s.fsf@gnu.org> <55F98B34.4080703@cs.ucla.edu> <83fv2e706c.fsf@gnu.org> <55F9B482.3050901@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442428536 7403 80.91.229.3 (16 Sep 2015 18:35:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 18:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 20:35:24 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcHY6-0003Bu-Jq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:35:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52498 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcHY1-00068Z-1t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:35:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59497) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcHXx-00066E-2h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:35:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcHXr-0001jl-EO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:35:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:42857) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcHXr-0001jB-5V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:35:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcHXq-0005mg-U0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:35:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 18:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21472.144242849722216 (code B ref 21472); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 18:35:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Sep 2015 18:34:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35067 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcHXl-0005mF-Ig for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:34:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout27.012.net.il ([80.179.55.183]:50701) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcHXj-0005m5-I0 for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:34:56 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout27.012.net.il by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NUS00E008Q9W200@mtaout27.012.net.il> for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 21:30:44 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NUS007II8R81170@mtaout27.012.net.il>; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 21:30:44 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <55F9B482.3050901@cs.ucla.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106656 Archived-At: > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 21472@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:27:14 -0700 > > On 09/16/2015 10:18 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > "Push" here is > > jargon > > It would be ridiculous to quote every use of a technical term in the > manual. That's not what I suggested, or did. I left most of your unquoting in place, and only changed those that were too annoying. > It's fine to quote the defining occurrence (prefably with > @dfn), but other uses of technical terms should appear unquoted. This is > standard English style and it's what Emacs manuals should use. And that's what we do. But "push", "wheel", etc. aren't technical terms, they are jargon that crept into the language in some quarters. For them, a different rule and a separate judgment call is only prudent. > The defenses you gave for the quotes in the examples are weak; those > quotes are unnecessary distractions to the reader, and their costs > outweigh their benefits. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that.