From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31094: Code for second solution Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 19:32:25 +0300 Message-ID: <83bmetzmjq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20180408073916.d5lsceul3gpj34l3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <20180408110901.4dukaueroieovrkp@E15-2016.optimum.net> <83muydzw32.fsf@gnu.org> <20180408131700.uwh3bozuqu76xf7m@E15-2016.optimum.net> <83fu45ztuc.fsf@gnu.org> <20180408141330.qzrustisiaea7ozg@E15-2016.optimum.net> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523205072 19835 195.159.176.226 (8 Apr 2018 16:31:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 16:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 31094@debbugs.gnu.org To: Boruch Baum Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 08 18:31:08 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DDf-00054k-RC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 18:31:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38451 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DFl-0002vT-IB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:33:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40395) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DFY-0002uu-UM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:33:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DFV-0004fv-Qz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:33:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:34854) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DFV-0004fo-Np for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:33:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DFV-0001jS-Hz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:33:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31094 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 31094-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31094.15232051536625 (code B ref 31094); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:33:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 31094) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 16:32:33 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42751 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DF3-0001in-A7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:32:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49032) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DF1-0001iZ-Am for 31094@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:32:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DEt-0004Ie-0z for 31094@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:32:26 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36577) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DEs-0004IP-UC; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:32:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3691 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DEs-0008HR-CB; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:32:22 -0400 In-reply-to: <20180408141330.qzrustisiaea7ozg@E15-2016.optimum.net> (message from Boruch Baum on Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:13:30 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:145024 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:13:30 -0400 > From: Boruch Baum > Cc: 31094@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > The second snippet is controlled by a boolean defcustom variable, > > > defaulting to the current long print-out behavior. > > > > That sounds sub-optimal to me: completely changing the behavior of a > > command given an option is not the best UI, IMO. Two different > > commands are better. > > You're over stating the behavior change of the second snippet; it > changes the detail level of the output. True, as written, it 'breaks' > the response to keybinding, but I consider that trivial, because > the same functionality is available with `C-h v` or `C-h f', and to the > benefit that the snippet is much leaner on memory. If you insist that > you absolutely need that key to display the symbol's complete > documentation, that can be done without rejecting the idea of the > snippet, but it's a minor coding hassle for no real reason; Everyone > knows `C-h v' and `C-h f' describe the symbol at point. I hear you. Let's see what others think about this. Thanks.