From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38143: 27.0.50; Say that before-make-frame-hook & after-make-frame-functions are not invoked for the initial frame Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 22:21:16 +0200 Message-ID: <83bl1u3irn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87mud5ivou.fsf@telefonica.net> <83a7959z7i.fsf@gnu.org> <87imnthsnv.fsf@telefonica.net> <87ee6ru4l4.fsf@gnus.org> <83bl1v4c4r.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsr6q01u.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36927"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, 38143@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 05 21:23:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mty2S-0009NM-TV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 21:23:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36614 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mty2R-0003OA-OO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:23:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33136) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mty1K-0003LH-Je for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:22:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48092) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mty1K-0007hg-Bc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:22:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mty1K-00009J-7l for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:22:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 20:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38143 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 38143-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38143.1638735689522 (code B ref 38143); Sun, 05 Dec 2021 20:22:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38143) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2021 20:21:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59636 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mty0n-00008L-72 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:21:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60322) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mty0k-000087-JV for 38143@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:21:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=49148 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mty0e-0007Wc-MX; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:21:20 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=yxAw6ZuUFJnX0ycMnLVYvcaoP5Sx3wwEqsCfw3BWw8Q=; b=QNBADOgKqB2y ECyjrICeSHBi7Oiy0JyVzBc8UQM74ky4saXR4KZFEIYdeuNN0jKkP8NXI6h1AUqcHM+7xcDjb05o0 sfQOstrhdZJI6hKSSLsXM1vPcF3/v4LPQR1x0klzNnLiWcaSFJhpJBLkQOxQ7vU5NNgKo0MUC6YQW joXnxFsm4EVouarnaeinDHjP6LgHgtezvOqL0NM8nOSE55BAY0MM63/gtNcMRp3E4hl/+7+33OfFW A8Mtm/8herjaH1bgECWXn7uq4zcG45JrA9ELl/YiBZgqKfKZzkMORP4zbi1NiKDhhNwRlWH21Q4lw F3P2XeGwClgUd7m85t+Lyg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4292 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mty0e-00082T-EM; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:21:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87fsr6q01u.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 05 Dec 2021 21:17:01 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:221654 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, rudalics@gmx.at, 38143@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 21:17:01 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > The new text is incorrect -- assuming that by "initial frame" the doc > > strings mean what we usually mean by that: the first frame displayed > > by a GUI Emacs session (see "Frame Parameters" in the user manual, and > > cf. initial-frame-alist). > > OK; reverted. Has this changed since the bug was reported? The only relevant change I know of is that we now have early-init file, which means users can set up these hooks there, and have them run when the initial frame is created. > > Perhaps the bug report was using "initial frame" in another sense: to > > allude to the frame we create in temacs, which is a terminal frame, > > normally deleted when a GUI session starts, except in a daemon, which > > keeps it. But in that case, these changes will confuse the heck out > > of the users who will read them and try to figure out how to use this > > information. We should in that case explain in the doc strings which > > "initial frame" we allude to here. > > I think we need some input from the bug reported about what they meant > by "initial frame" here. Indeed.