From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64871: 30.0.50; [FR] Add command and menu item to open user init file Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 11:54:33 +0300 Message-ID: <83bkfxn392.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87jzun7x34.fsf@localhost> <871qguxirf.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sf99ncfi.fsf@gnu.org> <87ila57o10.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21591"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 64871@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 27 10:58:56 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qOwpj-0005PX-Fl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:58:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOwlA-0002LW-78; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 04:54:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOwl2-0002Kw-Hz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 04:54:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOwl0-0007Rp-K3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 04:54:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qOwl0-0002Ip-BG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 04:54:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64871 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 64871-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64871.16904480338836 (code B ref 64871); Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:54:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64871) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2023 08:53:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40722 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qOwkq-0002IS-Sw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 04:53:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47922) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qOwko-0002ID-Jp for 64871@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 04:53:51 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOwki-0007Mo-QN; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 04:53:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=5yUvy0tWzFQ9JmJAibA2BkI90dx99bIvpgNTZMaJi8k=; b=NVlK8X26zY2Y v3SF9h0/xGvmpd3A2i0tlu1o9RUwSHb6alMoEF9PxZjg9n6mF9EKVBluZuakQpuHPc6Wg7Pbh7C1e p8xp1QZrHyC91x+5jC55jJ+WUxPcyTwqyB/7b7uN4bL9uks5Lf2IesFO5lo2PefEK8CE+X6F2jdbz /Lp6r9CGKeohgI34fjeN1ndukeZkVBQbSM0QO0HI2BCfVu09wkDg3bkqTxQQiMD6iE2T+KT8IN6L+ NtSGce/jBakOA1BOjO0/ZSchtNvYTC9JyR6KEY/qD7FhgI2JT/DPJJ6CA2mhjdWb0gdieT0OqF+6g Bnrcij1Qk8sDLvfciWdIbg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOwkh-0005BW-Cy; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 04:53:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87ila57o10.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:32:27 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:266172 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: Po Lu , 64871@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:32:27 +0000 > > My instincts from other GUI apps tell me that common places where > customization staff is located is Options->Preferences, > Edit->Preferences, or Tools->Preferences. > > Options->Customize sounds like something new users would be able to > find. "Preferences" would be a silly name in Emacs, because every customization in Emacs is about "preferences". > > To be fair, the tool bar still has some free space on it. But I > > actually wonder about something else: what other applications have a > > tool-bar button to access the init file, or even just the > > customization menu? > > "Preferences" gear icon is something I have seen on toolbars. That's a separate issue and a separate request, though. > And for init file, it is not a common concept. Exactly my point. The easy-on-newbies interface for customization is not to present them with (a largely empty) init file, far from that. > Another idea could be adding a button that will open init file right > into customize interface (near "Apply"). Why? > Side note: I now tried to look into Emacs "preferences" via menu and it > feels a bit awkward. Options->Customize Emacs-> has "Top-level > customization group" and "Browse customization groups" do not sound very > different and I would never guess (even knowing Emacs) that "browse" > implies short overview of all options. Did you read the help-echo strings they display?