From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16292: 24.3.50; info docs now contain single straight quotes instead of `' Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 05:41:44 +0200 Message-ID: <83a9fbumbr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <9452eaac-216d-4f87-9f90-6428d85650d1@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388893390 32750 80.91.229.3 (5 Jan 2014 03:43:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 03:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, grfz@gmx.de, 16292@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 05 04:43:16 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzecN-0002u5-6H for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 04:43:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56541 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzecM-0008Q0-Px for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 22:43:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44802) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzecF-0008Pr-M7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 22:43:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzecB-0002Pw-Ao for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 22:43:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49085) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzecB-0002Ps-72 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 22:43:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzecA-0007Sh-NV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 22:43:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 03:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16292 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16292-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16292.138889332728605 (code B ref 16292); Sun, 05 Jan 2014 03:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16292) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2014 03:42:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34871 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzebG-0007RI-Fw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 22:42:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:34850) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzebC-0007Qn-2i for 16292@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 22:42:03 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MYW00K00SKEPL00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 16292@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 05:42:00 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MYW00K49SXZI760@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 05:42:00 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <9452eaac-216d-4f87-9f90-6428d85650d1@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:82968 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:07:15 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 16292@debbugs.gnu.org, grfz@gmx.de > > > Yes, that too: Texinfo 4 still uses `..' for quoting. > > No. The OP's problem came from an Emacs that was built otherwise. > That's the point. He was aware of that being the cause; it is > exactly that problem that he reported (to me). > > Yes, Texinfo and makeinfo are not Emacs. That's your point. But > that does not solve the OP's problem. That's the point. It will solve some of the problem, because Emacs will be released with the quoting he wanted. But the problem itself should find there solution either in Texinfo, or in the Lisp programs (and users' minds) that will adapt to the change. > I can sympathize with that, and I agree with it generally. Still, > it seems that in this case it means that more and more Emacs users > will get worse Info behavior in Emacs, as more and more builders > move to a more recent Texinfo/makeinfo. Can we only tell users > that this is not an Emacs problem? That's the answer? As I said, patches are welcome to display '..' as something more visually pleasing. > I will only say that it's too bad if Emacs users lose reasonable > Info behavior that they have enjoyed since the beginning. That ship sailed several months ago. There's nothing we can do to return it, unless Texinfo changes back (unlikely, if you ask me).