From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: bug#21998: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? (Was: bug#21998: Run 'make change-history' on release branch) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 18:26:49 +0200 Message-ID: <83a8mauud2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <56DCB064.9060206@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457368045 16796 80.91.229.3 (7 Mar 2016 16:27:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 16:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21998@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 07 17:27:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1acxzz-0002lM-Lo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 17:27:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56832 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acxzz-0005S7-2d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:27:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54575) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acxzu-0005P1-QC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:27:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acxzq-0000a5-GN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:27:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:41127) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acxzq-0000Zt-DX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:27:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1acxzq-0005Y2-6c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:27:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21998 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21998-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21998.145736801421311 (code B ref 21998); Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:27:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21998) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Mar 2016 16:26:54 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38254 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1acxzi-0005Xf-Aj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:26:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35242) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1acxzg-0005XS-Hv for 21998@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:26:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acxzY-0000WP-4a for 21998@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:26:47 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47007) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acxzY-0000WL-1L; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:26:44 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1288 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1acxzX-0004Bf-6v; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:26:43 -0500 In-reply-to: <56DCB064.9060206@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Sun, 6 Mar 2016 14:34:12 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:114538 gmane.emacs.devel:201051 Archived-At: > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 14:34:12 -0800 > Cc: 21998@debbugs.gnu.org > > John Wiegley wrote: > > What do you all think about ChangeLogs, and their value > > to you in your work on Emacs? > > I regularly do the equivalent of: > > grep PATTERN $(git ls-files | grep -v ChangeLog) > > That is, in searches I typically ignore ChangeLog* files because of their > less-useful chatter. It is a truism that when you know ChangeLog files don't included the information you are after, you'd like to exclude them. Likewise, when I'm looking for information that can only be found in ChangeLog files, I will filter out everything else as "less-useful chatter". > Even if we remove ChangeLogs, we should still have guidelines for commit message > format We won't be able to enforce that rule for long. It's a slippery slope. Very slippery.