From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35389: 27.0.50; [PATCH] Emacs on macOS sets mouse-wheel variables directly Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 17:26:18 +0300 Message-ID: <83a7fqbfcl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y341q8cb.fsf@gmail.com> <83y33edr2a.fsf@gnu.org> <20190510212531.GA82150@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <83sgtleczm.fsf@gnu.org> <83a7ftdzq8.fsf@gnu.org> <20190511225021.GA82537@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <83zhnsb75h.fsf@gnu.org> <20190512110504.GA82901@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <86pnonjlpj.fsf@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="39133"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 35389@debbugs.gnu.org, alan@idiocy.org, rpluim@gmail.com, npostavs@gmail.com To: Tak Kunihiro Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 13 16:28:55 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hQBwk-0009z5-Bd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 May 2019 16:28:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58352 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQBwj-00017h-CN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 May 2019 10:28:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39695) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQBux-0000Hj-Tz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2019 10:27:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQBuw-0007sO-5z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2019 10:27:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60572) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQBuw-0007sD-2Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2019 10:27:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hQBuv-0003Z4-Rw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2019 10:27:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 14:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 35389 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 35389-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B35389.155775760813680 (code B ref 35389); Mon, 13 May 2019 14:27:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 35389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 May 2019 14:26:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45883 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hQBui-0003YZ-Ba for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2019 10:26:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53433) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hQBug-0003YN-Ct for 35389@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2019 10:26:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45576) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQBua-0007je-Ry; Mon, 13 May 2019 10:26:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2416 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hQBuV-0005yq-81; Mon, 13 May 2019 10:26:38 -0400 In-reply-to: <86pnonjlpj.fsf@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp> (message from Tak Kunihiro on Mon, 13 May 2019 08:29:28 +0900) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:159182 Archived-At: > From: Tak Kunihiro > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 35389@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com, npostavs@gmail.com > Cc: tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp > Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 08:29:28 +0900 > > >> (1 ((shift) . 5) ((control))) > > > > No, I don’t think it was discussed at all. As I said I think it was > > just thrown out there and nobody commented so it made it right > > through. I don’t think it matters at all if we want to do something > > different. > > I think I proposed to change the default to that value before. What was > in my mind is to maintain controlling amount of scroll by shift key. > > 1. Current default (5 ((shift) . 1) ((control))) with acceleration, > the only concern is to scroll less. My muscle leaned to control speed > of scroll by pressing shift. > > 2. Value (1 ((shift) . 1) ((control))) works good for me. I never > think about speeding down the scroll. Occasionally I want to speed up > scroll. > > 3. Value (1 ((shift) . 5) ((control))) is good for typical scroll and > occasional fast scroll with the muscle memory. Item 3, the current default on macOS, makes Shift have the opposite effect from what it produces on other platforms. Which is in general against our policy, AFAIU.