From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37485: 27.0.50; C-m in describe-bindings Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:23:45 +0300 Message-ID: <83a7avorj2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87sgooroa4.fsf@gnus.org> <83k19zpwtx.fsf@gnu.org> <8736gnb8mk.fsf@gnus.org> <83h853ouqi.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftknym8v.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="194099"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 37485@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 23 19:24:22 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCS4U-000oMi-Ig for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:24:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60212 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iCS4T-0001Rs-Cj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:24:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41329) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iCS4B-0001I0-6S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:24:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iCS4A-0002aB-7F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:24:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:56435) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iCS4A-0002a5-3m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCS49-0002Ht-Tz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:24:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37485 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 37485-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37485.15692594408785 (code B ref 37485); Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:24:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37485) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2019 17:24:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37023 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCS48-0002Hd-35 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:24:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32803) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCS46-0002HL-MQ for 37485@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:23:58 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54170) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iCS41-0002Vy-HE; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:23:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2540 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iCS40-0007iK-QU; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:23:53 -0400 In-reply-to: <87ftknym8v.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:07:44 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:167031 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: 37485@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:07:44 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> I'm not sure I understand... > > > > I meant that users usually press RET, not C-m. > > You've done a poll? :-) I don't need one. Most users don't know C-m and RET are the same. > >> Both RET and C-m are keys we press, but the intended (both mnemonic and > >> ergonomic) key stroke here is `C-c C-m c' (etc) and not the awkward `C-c > >> RET c'. > > > > Call me awkward, then. > > But do you use RET instead of `C-m' in these keystrokes because that's > what `describe-bindings' say or because you prefer to hit `RET'? What's the difference? Both, I guess. > Anyway, I've grepped through the *.texi files, and there are 152 matches > for `C-c C-m ...' and 8 for `C-c RET'. And all of those 8 are for RET > as the final character in the keystroke. > > If you expand to "C-. C-m"/"C-. RET" it's 170/20. (All those additional > ones are from mule.texi.) > > It seems the mode writers' intentions are pretty clear: They mean for > the users to type C-c C-m ..., but `describe-bindings' tells them to type > C-c RET. I don't see why this should be decided by majority vote. Anyway, what's the real problem here? Just the fact that you personally are annoyed?