From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38457: 27.0.50; dabbrev-expand regression due to message change Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 07:41:34 +0200 Message-ID: <83a77y9k35.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8736e3vve8.fsf@gmx.net> <8736e2coyv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83y2vujd0y.fsf@gnu.org> <87blspm0sm.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837e3ckbem.fsf@gnu.org> <871rtjn0kt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfrrigj8.fsf@gnu.org> <87eexiqps5.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfrphp94.fsf@gnu.org> <87wob7g2jk.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83k177ebs0.fsf@gnu.org> <87muc27prn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83tv6acgq5.fsf@gnu.org> <87eexdoygh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83tv68c0nb.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0cubfxx.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="74768"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 38457@debbugs.gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 12 06:42:10 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ifHEn-000JLr-V3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 06:42:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54792 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ifHEm-00063H-QJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 00:42:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56481) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ifHEh-000636-7x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 00:42:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ifHEg-0008I9-7g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 00:42:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:52965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ifHEg-0008Ho-4E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 00:42:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ifHEg-0007pG-2F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 00:42:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 05:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 38457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38457.157612931030058 (code B ref 38457); Thu, 12 Dec 2019 05:42:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2019 05:41:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58938 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ifHET-0007oi-AS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 00:41:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44637) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ifHER-0007oS-JB for 38457@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 00:41:48 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60112) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ifHEM-0007ra-99; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 00:41:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2267 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ifHEL-0000yM-Jw; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 00:41:42 -0500 In-reply-to: <87d0cubfxx.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:28:10 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:173207 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: 38457@debbugs.gnu.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:28:10 +0200 > > When message-in-echo-area is non-nil, then 'message' has exactly > the same behavior as before, as in the previous versions. > > I propose to use timers in minibuffer-message conditionally > only when message-in-echo-area is nil. Then the behavior > of minibuffer-message will be exactly the same as before too > when message-in-echo-area is non-nil. > > If you want to set message-in-echo-area to t in the release branch, > that's fine. That would mean bring back all the problems for which these changes were made. So it would be the worst of all worlds, and thus makes very little sense to me. And in any case, minibuffer-message already behaves differently: it logs the message in *Messages*, something it never did and is not documented, and you suggested another change, to make it start the debugger per debug-on-message. These change behavior of any direct callers of minibuffer-message in incompatible ways, something I don't think we have a good reason to do.