From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46627: [External] : bug#46627: [PATCH] Add new help command 'describe-command' Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 08:50:56 +0200 Message-ID: <83a6rm6obz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <16fa7034-ece7-3290-31fe-cac2f603c979@yandex.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40167"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 46627@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 02 07:52:16 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lGytE-000AML-Cz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 07:52:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53810 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lGytD-0000KZ-EQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 01:52:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50474) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lGyt1-0000JI-Mr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 01:52:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39904) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lGyt0-0002if-AA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 01:52:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lGyt0-0006nv-6Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 01:52:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 06:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46627 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 46627-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46627.161466787326099 (code B ref 46627); Tue, 02 Mar 2021 06:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2021 06:51:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51450 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lGysD-0006ms-FI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 01:51:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60692) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lGysB-0006mg-M7 for 46627@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 01:51:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34664) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lGys5-0002DN-JW; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 01:51:05 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1609 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lGyry-00016Q-9l; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 01:50:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Tue, 02 Mar 2021 01:29:06 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:201188 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 01:29:06 -0500 > Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 46627@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru > > > "Trials" in Emacs itself are not so great, IMO. > > Someone puts something on a branch > > That way of tryialing something has a drawback as you say: > > > trial and feedback. But the only people who try > > it are Emacs Dev aficionados who build Emacs or > > pull stuff from Git etc. > > The way I suggest handling these is to put them in the release, then > tell people a command to run to try them. That makes it easy > to try them out. That is only a viable option if the new feature is opt-in and doesn't change the default behavior in any way, shape or form. (This being an old discussion, I no longer have a clear idea whether the above conditions are fulfilled under your proposal.) And having the new feature on a branch first does not in any way contradict the trial by a larger audience later, when the feature is released. So I don't think I understand well enough what is the issue being discussed here, as we already do all of that.