From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48478: 28.0.50; yank-from-kill-ring and kill-ring-yank-pointer Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 10:19:49 +0300 Message-ID: <83a6olkjca.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83h7j1twym.fsf@gnu.org> <874kf1yq92.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o8d8s1jd.fsf@gnu.org> <878s4bzt6v.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83fsyjqwtr.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7iyn0s5.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <831ra1px7n.fsf@gnu.org> <875yzdb7vz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lf89ns51.fsf@gnu.org> <87eee19o24.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83fsyhnp2r.fsf@gnu.org> <871ra19luh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83cztkocqt.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7iwuf0m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o8d3l179.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0nqo570.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27275"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 48478@debbugs.gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 23 09:20:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lkiPA-0006vP-Kg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 09:20:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47556 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkiP9-0007Uq-N5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 03:20:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42040) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkiP4-0007Ui-B1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 03:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:57203) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkiP4-0005Pw-3O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 03:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkiP3-0001jj-UU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 03:20:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 07:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48478 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 48478-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48478.16217543976659 (code B ref 48478); Sun, 23 May 2021 07:20:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 48478) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2021 07:19:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40516 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkiOy-0001jL-M9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 03:19:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkiOt-0001j6-T8 for 48478@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 03:19:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54734) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkiOo-0005FZ-34; Sun, 23 May 2021 03:19:46 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4009 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkiOn-0000j4-Fa; Sun, 23 May 2021 03:19:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87k0nqo570.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Sat, 22 May 2021 23:59:31 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:207075 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: 48478@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 23:59:31 +0300 > > >> For the case of not adding the edited entry to the kill-ring, > >> now kill-ring-yank-pointer stays at the same position it was > >> before the editing. > > > > It doesn't look like that in my testing. Here's the recipe: > > > > emacs -Q > > For the words "buffer", "text", "Lisp", and "evaluation" from the > > first line, mark each word and then M-w > > M-> > > M-y > > Type "tex TAB", which will expand to "text" > > Type "oize RET", which will insert "textoize" > > Type C-y > > This inserts the last kill, which is "evaluation", whereas I > > expected to see "text", since you said the pointer stays at the > > same position. > > The pointer kill-ring-yank-pointer stays at the same position: > before M-y, kill-ring-yank-pointer points to "evaluation", > and after M-y, kill-ring-yank-pointer points to "evaluation". I think this is not the optimal behavior. The optimal behavior IMO is if M-y would yield the same results wrt kill-ring-yank-pointer as does M-y after C-y. IOW, it would be natural if M-y invoked after a non-yank command would just allow a "direct access" to a specific slot of the kill-ring, and would otherwise work like M-y after a yank command. Once again, from user's POV M-y is the same command, so every subtle change in the results is IMO a disadvantage, if the change is not a direct consequence of the differences in use cases. If you want yank-from-kill-ring to leave kill-ring-yank-pointer unaltered, we could move the pointer in yank-pop, after yank-from-kill-ring returns. WDYT?