From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52063: 28.0.60; Confusing presentation of lambda Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 19:44:42 +0200 Message-ID: <83a6ht8n3p.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83czmqaegb.fsf@gnu.org> <874k82vwe5.fsf@gnus.org> <831r35afde.fsf@gnu.org> <87v90hu36b.fsf@gnus.org> <83v90h8zjw.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1b5u1cl.fsf@gnus.org> <83pmqp8vps.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfvly160.fsf@gnus.org> <83ilwh8pf2.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27644"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 52063@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 24 18:45:15 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mpwKX-0006vO-A5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:45:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46132 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpwKW-0007iD-8F for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:45:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37018) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpwKM-0007gn-LE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:45:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43350) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpwKM-0006FB-Bt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:45:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpwKM-00028O-AU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:45:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 17:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52063 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 52063-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52063.16377758918170 (code B ref 52063); Wed, 24 Nov 2021 17:45:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 52063) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2021 17:44:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54896 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpwKB-00027i-A3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:44:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36220) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpwK9-00027V-3c for 52063@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:44:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=40196 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpwK2-0005ny-Cu; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:44:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=GqKwQAjsIZ5RTfP5VWrQcSrSGGmPFs6dOy5ODPQUi3I=; b=agXrE6PbwgwF hgBf/GMx/78GOIPvDV39XGeLdykVxnyQYMKVAKZlNW9tXb8p+PJCJ3dEfugxZtoTXBEc6k951tN6C iyG7hpcT3R/crst27l7dpxqW9wW/uJ2dbsekMcTfK34wwttZnUGpHScx/SC3+iDEHP+IFfajeLXLM JrjUzvJzmfz0TsEY3chUwEt7Y7KaS8Cwh/Y66S9P7TMkH7LQ0NLw8bejaHqvTphobDUs4ohwHdIkH 99Qng6HaOvJOGF78zLSimqhsitOXuIPBJX4vx/QV7vCzB84kV3UqHmZkTA6ZY3QQSimUjSJ2AgovY NCyJZwlWISziTPgNLXG4jg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4558 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpwK2-0002vK-4J; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:44:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:19:51 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:220756 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 52063@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:19:51 -0500 > > >> > But perhaps others have other opinions here? > >> Compile your code and the problem goes away (because you'll never see > >> (lambda ...) or (closure ...) values, they'll all be > >> byte-code-functions instead ;-) > > I don't want to compile my .emacs. > > Any other words of wisdom before I write this off as another annoyance > > of lexical-binding, and take care to disable that wherever I can? > > The other word of wisdom is: > Don't add lambdas to hook. Always name those functions. So this issue is specific to hooks? I thought add-hook is just a fancy way of consing a list, but you seem to say that it has some side effects that other constructs don't? IOW, would manually consing a list with a lambda-function produce the same results, or would it leave the lambda-function intact?