From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#59346: Adding sqlite-backup Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:51:37 +0200 Message-ID: <83a64n832u.fsf@gnu.org> References: <837czsd7sr.fsf@gnu.org> <83h6ywbgo5.fsf@gnu.org> <835yfb9y94.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24869"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 59346@debbugs.gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support To: Andrew Hyatt Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 19 14:52:26 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1owOGg-0006BD-7K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:52:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owOGU-00086K-IR; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:52:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owOGI-00082U-DI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:52:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owOGH-0006bo-RQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:52:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1owOGH-0006Au-NJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:52:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59346 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 59346-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59346.166886590023708 (code B ref 59346); Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:52:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 59346) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2022 13:51:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39285 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1owOFv-0006AJ-PG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:51:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44676) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1owOFs-0006A4-LX for 59346@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:51:38 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owOFn-0006Za-5S; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:51:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=s6tWARO+P/B+pLtKhCjh8N6fdS1Ut5vEqnhuvnhkLek=; b=mUTYgPKg2taDevWBfpZh 6zOmbudSPd9OZG0Byn/b6YGyCSgcK3sDnt2iLYldWuRvAnqb7vC50X6X+KqwKi2Pezn1lM5kUpLdp 8trBB48itU7e9lXPoJumIirIBxitxP2Xa7nd8bK6Jmh2VemoZu7R+uvwKl4rZ9umuQzlZ5GvtVAqf 7nnaejcM9nTd5Yhjand6udTd6NpFCuTJ2nf8/p3oFpHn3+F1Mt6Cwm+Of5QRDVICubx6wqn3zZdCD 1QnbGsT46IaU/lPAX0D60BsR8/HqDCrOVFxe3kOaEkqyZe+Hn5qmTk65UO7bspMHDNtaKihVVLDol ABTI8qspktoXDA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owOFm-0004kH-KK; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:51:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Andrew Hyatt on Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:36:39 -0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:248337 Archived-At: > From: Andrew Hyatt > Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:36:39 -0300 > Cc: 59346@debbugs.gnu.org, Jean Louis > > I disagree. We included sqlite support in Emacs to let Lisp programs > gain access to databases, but we didn't intend to make Emacs a > platform for developing full-fledged sqlite applications. > > I now see where you are coming from. But I never knew your intentions and have been working on > SQLite-based applications. This is perfectly fine. Emacs is Free Software: you can always patch it to have the additional primitives you need, and develop any applications you want based on that. The issue being discussed here is what should we provide in Emacs by default for all our users. There's no intent to tell you what to do in your own projects. > It seems I’m not the only one. I think this represents a natural evolution where > users are pushing the system beyond what is intended. That’s not a bad thing, and I think emacs should > follow the desire paths carved out be users here. > > It’s fine to wait until the trends are clearer, but I think this is a very natural direction for module development, > so its just a matter of time. I'd rather wait for now.