From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8569: 24.0.50; overlay arrow Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:07:55 -0700 Message-ID: <83E3520CB9334D6193D94A30CE1B82DE@us.oracle.com> References: <83zkna6zlm.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310739885 10791 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2011 14:24:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 8569@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" , "'Eli Zaretskii'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 15 16:24:40 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhjJo-0001EG-2o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:24:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54847 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QhjJn-0001gz-5Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:24:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55068) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhj4i-0006Ts-DT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:09:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhj4h-0001yx-0d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:09:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38018) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhj4g-0001yq-KH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:09:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhj4f-0000bg-Q9; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:09:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8569 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 8569-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8569.13107388932264 (code B ref 8569); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:09:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 8569) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 14:08:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhj3s-0000aT-Su for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:08:13 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhj3q-0000aH-TQ for 8569@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:08:11 -0400 Original-Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6FE82wd023846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:08:04 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6FE813E018576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:08:01 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt117.oracle.com (abhmt117.oracle.com [141.146.116.69]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6FE7t1l001293; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:07:55 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.34.212) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:07:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcxC8qezp1vpdI2gQ8GklPZ7EqEBpwABUYMA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4E2049C4.0163:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:09:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:49142 Archived-At: > I think changing this would be of little practical benefit, > and would break third-party usages. So I'm closing this report. As I said, you can keep the old names as well (aliased) and just not advertise them or use them anymore. No third-party code would break in that case. These misleading names are a source of confusion, especially for new users. There is _zero_ reason that they should have `overlay' in the name. I hear no one saying that the names are anything other than misleading. One thing important about Emacs is that you can pretty easily find functions, variables, etc. related to a given object type by just using `apropos'. Someone looking for overlay stuff should not be finding these names.