From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#44273: "total used in directory 19 available 5.2 GiB" Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:18:56 +0100 Message-ID: <83DA3F8B-E525-43F6-8A72-A5AF6C0EEA38@acm.org> References: <87sg9zgchl.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <9FFBEBAF-FBB3-4AC9-950E-70B3927032F9@acm.org> <87h7qevdfc.fsf@gnus.org> <7B559E59-D3CA-4515-B17C-336029B7FBFA@acm.org> <877dravck1.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22204"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson , 44273@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 28 12:21:34 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kXjWH-0005e8-ST for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:21:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55308 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXjWG-0004os-S3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:21:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47414) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXjUo-0003od-Ir for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35891) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXjUo-0000YT-8P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXjUo-0008QA-2H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:20:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44273 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 44273-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44273.160388395132304 (code B ref 44273); Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 44273) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2020 11:19:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47437 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXjTz-0008Ot-9w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:19:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail1443c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.14.43]:36354 helo=mail264c50.megamailservers.eu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXjTu-0008OE-RU; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:19:09 -0400 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1603883940; bh=g/7zStlYSuj1D1ZH4KdqvJtWq8jnCTLQXoa6XfmKe3Q=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=PB7K/IDxHoG7IJ7viE8mxNDR6gDAsQve3Tj4fJLVQ6VcUYTspkv9iwnQ+VZw/nNy+ 9Hytgd6EsvAIbtS8PsdYbV5TqXD4KDoPboga3Rktw8XtCcqB1eLv++6sP1eWiVezBC z9oK0Ytm1eOfdDAPC1GGW5FSAigDn8ejt0ydUISg= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from stanniol.lan (c-304ee655.032-75-73746f71.bbcust.telenor.se [85.230.78.48]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail264c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 09SBIvVr023428; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:18:58 +0000 In-Reply-To: <877dravck1.fsf@gnus.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F1C.5F9953A4.001E:SCFSTAT76743386, ss=1, re=-4.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: -4.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=PPNxBsiC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=63Z2wlQ1NB3xHpgKFKE71g==:117 a=63Z2wlQ1NB3xHpgKFKE71g==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=OocQHUDgAAAA:8 a=MAE8uAAVFrG596NeAmgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xUZTl98r3Qw_uB5NK3jt:22 X-Origin-Country: SE X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:191846 Archived-At: forcemerge 44273 36379 stop 28 okt. 2020 kl. 12.02 skrev Lars Ingebrigtsen : > I didn't see any howling in that bug report, though? I just skimmed = it > quickly. I think there was some discussion (if you can call it that) outside that = report, but I may be misremembering. > As an aside: The general design of dired is frustrating. Dumping > whatever the system "ls" gives us into a buffer and then trying to = make > do isn't a good approach. >=20 > The argument that Tramp needs to parse "ls" output is valid, and that > "ls" is faster than `ls-lisp' is, too, but it's still backwards: Dired > should take a well-defined data structure and then render it according > to however the user wants. Definitely, and if it is faster to fork another process and parse its = output with slow regexps in Emacs to do the job of what ordinarily just = takes a few syscalls, then we aren't doing our job properly. It's not = hard to read directories efficiently. In any case I'm merging the bugs, optimistically keeping them open.