From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18001: default behavior changes Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:56:59 +0300 Message-ID: <838unxap2s.fsf@gnu.org> References: <00ec01cf9d51$8e033380$aa099a80$@tahoestores.com> <83r41r9jkw.fsf@gnu.org> <005901cf9dff$7ba313a0$72e93ae0$@tahoestores.com> <83egxq9zqy.fsf@gnu.org> <006f01cf9e08$02536320$06fa2960$@tahoestores.com> <83d2da9x81.fsf@gnu.org> <007b01cf9e18$42f945b0$c8ebd110$@tahoestores.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1405223906 21411 80.91.229.3 (13 Jul 2014 03:58:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 03:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 18001@debbugs.gnu.org To: Joel F Rodriguez Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 13 05:58:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X6AvZ-0006ZO-7I for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 05:58:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51068 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X6AvY-0004ZH-Jw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:58:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56619) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X6AvP-0004Xj-RR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:58:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X6AvK-00018m-GG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:58:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58129) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X6AvK-00018b-Dy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:58:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X6AvK-0001pk-35 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:58:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 03:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 18001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18001.14052238216956 (code B ref 18001); Sun, 13 Jul 2014 03:58:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2014 03:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53395 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X6AuK-0001o3-Sm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:57:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout27.012.net.il ([80.179.55.183]:58915) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X6AuH-0001nk-Cx for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:56:58 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout27.012.net.il by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N8M00N00T7AMZ00@mtaout27.012.net.il> for 18001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:52:50 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N8M00IS8TG28U50@mtaout27.012.net.il>; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:52:50 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <007b01cf9e18$42f945b0$c8ebd110$@tahoestores.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:91488 Archived-At: > From: "Joel F Rodriguez" > Cc: <18001@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:28:36 -0700 > > The problem seems far too simple as to require extensive explanations and > details un-related to solving the problem. And yet even now, after half a dozen exchanges, neither you nor we understand why the problem happened to you, why you couldn't resize a graphics frame. > No, I got far too much static relative to semantics and no answers. It is unfortunate that so many messages have come and gone without any real understanding of your problem. Perhaps it would have helped if you answered our questions. > The answer was so simple, I forgot it. I guess I confused the issue > when I asked what changed. Going to -nw is _not_ the answer. GUI frames _can_ be resized, I do that every day. Their initial size _can_ be controlled, both from the command-line arguments you use to invoke Emacs, and from your ~/.emacs init file. > After 40 years in this field I can assure you it is much more important to > come up with a simple answer, then to go off on a rage on bug reporters not > being familiar with your specific jargon. I mean who still talks about > text-terminals in the real world? This is indicative of the emacs docs on > the whole, its primary keys are technical specific terms which makes it > nearly impossible to format a query to google unless you have had your head > buried in the source codes for months. The text-mode sessions are still widely used and are completely covered in the documentation. > Again, sorry for the ruckus, but I do like the old saying, "if it ain't > broke, break it". Evidently, something _is_ broke on your system, or in how you invoke/use Emacs.