From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22604: 24.5; (elisp) `Key Binding Conventions': what about other `C-c' keys? Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 19:04:35 +0200 Message-ID: <838u2tddcs.fsf@gnu.org> References: <38cef267-d54f-40d5-9282-563615551367@default> <29ac44ad-3c5d-486e-abd7-a7ef70e906d1@default> <0fa54275-c058-4f38-9ef4-cc24de315dc0@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455037584 21969 80.91.229.3 (9 Feb 2016 17:06:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 17:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: schwab@suse.de, 22604@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 18:06:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aTBjw-0000oI-T8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 18:06:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58399 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTBjw-0002ZL-4U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:06:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43646) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTBjr-0002WQ-86 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:06:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTBjm-0004y1-IM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:06:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:52880) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTBjm-0004xx-FB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:06:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTBjm-0000Nk-A4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:06:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 17:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22604 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22604-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22604.14550375021391 (code B ref 22604); Tue, 09 Feb 2016 17:06:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22604) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2016 17:05:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33788 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTBin-0000MK-VO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:05:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52201) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTBim-0000M0-4K for 22604@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:05:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTBib-0004dZ-H1 for 22604@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:04:55 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44177) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTBib-0004dS-DY; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:04:49 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1253 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aTBia-0006TJ-L1; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:04:49 -0500 In-reply-to: <0fa54275-c058-4f38-9ef4-cc24de315dc0@default> (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 9 Feb 2016 07:29:05 -0800 (PST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112810 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 07:29:05 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 22604@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > For example, Lars recently proposed, in bug thread 22172, to bind > > > `C-c +' and `C-c -' by default. Making the doc clearer about this > > > would preclude such a suggestion, as those keys would fall under > > > the category of "other punctuation", which is reserved for minor modes. > > > > Then they cannot be used if we follow our conventions. That looks clear > > enough to me. > > You feel that the convention is clear enough for you. > > Although I might agree with your interpretation of the convention > as currently stated, I would like it to be stated more clearly, > explicitly saying what it means by "punctuation", for example. It's not really easy to define "punctuation" here. More importantly, some of the characters that _are_ reserved aren't punctuation by Unicode categorization (they are symbols). Would it help if we said "ASCII punctuation and symbol characters"? That's the official name of those characters, AFAICT, and the "ASCII" part makes sure no one will think about non-ASCII punctuation characters, which I think we don't want to reserve. Enumerating the characters can be tedious, so I think we'd like to avoid that.