From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23426: 25.0.93; dired-do-find-regexp doesn't find newline Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 18:01:44 +0300 Message-ID: <838tzpkgtj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <57278BA0.6010604@h-rommerskirchen.de> <4xr3dj7yrk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9638d58e-0c5c-a587-c3a6-272254597b88@yandex.ru> <85ff912d-1457-487d-80b2-412389876172@default> <812a118d-331e-4f09-aeda-483ee71b1127@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462374228 15220 80.91.229.3 (4 May 2016 15:03:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 15:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23426@debbugs.gnu.org, heinz@h-rommerskirchen.de, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 04 17:03:35 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1axyKo-0008Gh-UE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 17:03:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48453 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axyKl-0003xa-01 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:03:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40187) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axyKc-0003l7-GY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:03:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axyKP-00032T-TH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:03:13 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:53741) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axyKP-000319-Q5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:03:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axyKM-00040b-9m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:03:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 15:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23426 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23426-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23426.146237413515351 (code B ref 23426); Wed, 04 May 2016 15:03:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23426) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 15:02:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axyJb-0003zX-0i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:02:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48599) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axyJY-0003zJ-Ka for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:02:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axyJJ-0002e6-D1 for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:02:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49746) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axyJ6-0002Yx-JC; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:01:44 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2164 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1axyIy-0004xs-UL; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:01:37 -0400 In-reply-to: <812a118d-331e-4f09-aeda-483ee71b1127@default> (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 3 May 2016 21:24:22 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117735 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 21:24:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 23426@debbugs.gnu.org, Heinz Rommerskirchen > > > > Do I understand correctly (forgive me if wrong; I have not > > > studied this, and my Emacs 25 build is quite old) that `A' > > > in Dired is now bound by default to a command that requires > > > a user to have an external `grep' command? (This was not > > > the case previously.) > > > > Yusss. And 'find', too. > > Ugh. Hard to believe this got accepted, replacing a perfectly > good command that everyone could use (and has used, for decades) - > no dependency on anything outside Emacs, worked on all platforms. It didn't replace the old command, that one is still there, it just doesn't have a key binding by default. > This new feature should have been added as, uh, err, well, just > a new feature - a new command, totally unrelated to existing `A' > etc. Bad idea to usurp `A' for a command that requires a user > to have `grep' and `find'. Bad Emacs. We want to stop maintaining the etags-derived UI for moving through hits, so this is part of a plan. > But it seems that the new trend in Emacs Dev is to willy nilly > replace longstanding stuff, rather than just introducing new > stuff, letting users experiment with it, and after years of > experience and feedback PERHAPS change some default behavior > to make better use of it by default. FUD. As a matter of fact, we did exactly what you call for: introduced a new UI and commands to go with them, and let users experiment with them, while the old ones are still available, and the way to get back old behavior is described in NEWS. OTOH, when Drew will stop assuming "Emacs devs" have ill will, and release knee-jerk reactions, such as this one, based on that, is anyone's guess.