From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#28790: [PATCH] Replaced "which see" with "q.v.". Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:48:41 +0300 Message-ID: <838tggoo8m.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1507791012 31382 195.159.176.226 (12 Oct 2017 06:50:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 06:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 28790@debbugs.gnu.org To: John Williams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 12 08:50:06 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2XJk-0007Ik-Qi for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:50:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44018 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2XJs-0008Bb-3U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:50:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46550) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2XJl-0008BL-El for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:50:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2XJi-00063k-7j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:50:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54342) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2XJi-00063f-4d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:50:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2XJh-0003VX-O6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:50:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 06:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28790 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 28790-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28790.150779094213390 (code B ref 28790); Thu, 12 Oct 2017 06:50:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 28790) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2017 06:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34790 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2XIj-0003Tq-Vx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55091) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2XIj-0003TY-AU for 28790@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:49:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2XIb-0004uI-53 for 28790@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:48:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37972) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2XIb-0004uB-1l; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1088 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1e2XIa-0001aT-G1; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:48:52 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from John Williams on Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:22:50 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:138248 Archived-At: > From: John Williams > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:22:50 -0700 > > While it may seem strange to replace an English phrase with a > relatively obscure Latin abbreviation, there are a number of > advantages. As someone whose first language is English, I've never > seen "which see" used anywhere else the way it is in Emacs. It looks > totally ungrammatical to me, and I found it quite confusing when I > first encountered it. It's a difficult phrase to search for because > it's formed from such common words. OTOH, q.v. is easily searchable, > it has a well-defined meaning, and the conventional way to use it > serves as a drop-in replacement for the way "which see" is used in > Emacs. Thanks, but we've discussed similar ideas in the past, and eventually decided not to install such changes, certainly not summarily replacing every "which see" with a "q.v.". The absolute majority of your proposed changes are in the doc strings, where we already have a direct link to the documentation of a symbol whose name precedes "which see". So whether the reader understands that or doesn't, the link is already there to click on, and no harm is done by a relatively rare use of this phrase.