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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: contovob@tcd.ie, 34765@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA,
	alexanderm@web.de
Subject: bug#34765: 26.1; with-temp-buffer should not run buffer-list-update-hook
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 10:29:57 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <838suz7xqi.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d2caec1e-2b1a-ba05-6aee-e810c7e96fa8@gmx.at> (message from martin rudalics on Tue, 21 May 2019 12:04:46 +0200)

> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 34765@debbugs.gnu.org, alexanderm@web.de,
>  monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA
> Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 12:04:46 +0200
> 
> I have not managed to understand the Vcode_conversion_workbuf_name
> vs Vcode_conversion_reused_workbuf rigmarole yet.

The latter is a fixed buffer, created once and never killed.  So the
buffer hooks never run for it, and never affect Emacs.  By contrast,
the former is a buffer created when the reused buffer is busy and
cannot be reused.  We then kill Vcode_conversion_workbuf_name when we
no longer need it.  Thus, buffer hooks run for these work buffers all
the time, and for a code-conversion intensive code they could slow
down Emacs, specially if the list of buffer hooks is long.

> > The possibilities for the buffer creation subroutine are either to act
> > specially on certain buffer name prefixes, or to accept an extra
> > argument indicating what to do, no?  Are there any others?  There was
> > mention of exposing a buffer-local variable to Elisp, but IIRC setting
> > that after creating the buffer would already be too late.
> 
> So far there is no extra argument, the entire analysis is based on
> examining the proposed name argument.

Since we currently keep this special treatment limited to a small
number of buffer names, I'm not sure there's a need to expose this
facility to Lisp.

> > Buffer names starting with spaces are already special in some contexts,
> > so extending that idea for inhibiting buffer hooks doesn't sound too
> > bad,
> 
> Eli thinks that "this is too drastic a measure".

Yes.  No one said buffer hooks must _never_ run for temporary buffers.
There could be legitimate Lisp programs which want those hooks to run
in that case.





  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-22  7:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-05 22:57 bug#34765: 26.1; with-temp-buffer should not run buffer-list-update-hook Alexander Miller
2019-03-06  9:39 ` martin rudalics
2019-03-06 11:29 ` Alexander Miller
2019-03-06 14:13   ` martin rudalics
2019-03-06 15:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-06 17:57       ` martin rudalics
2019-04-23  9:21         ` martin rudalics
2019-04-23 10:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-24  7:27             ` martin rudalics
2019-04-24 11:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-24 12:55                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-25  8:06                 ` martin rudalics
2019-04-25  8:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 10:31                     ` martin rudalics
2019-04-25 10:49                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-26  7:40                         ` martin rudalics
2019-04-26  8:09                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 13:01           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-25 14:34             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-26  7:41               ` martin rudalics
2019-04-26  8:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-26  7:41             ` martin rudalics
2019-04-26  8:10               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-26 11:00                 ` martin rudalics
2019-04-26 11:26                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-27  8:30                     ` martin rudalics
2019-04-26 17:14                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-27  8:31                     ` martin rudalics
2019-05-20 13:42                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-21  7:32                         ` martin rudalics
2019-05-21  7:58                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-21 10:04                             ` martin rudalics
2019-05-22  7:29                               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-05-22  8:32                                 ` martin rudalics
2019-05-22 10:06                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-23  8:38                                     ` martin rudalics
2019-05-23 14:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-24  8:01                                         ` martin rudalics
2019-05-22 14:12                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-22 15:50                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-22  7:21                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-26 11:06                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-05  7:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-07  3:27                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-07  7:58                         ` martin rudalics
2020-11-29 21:03                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-11-30  9:05                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-30 18:07                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-11-30 19:01                                 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-30 20:33                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-12-01  9:34                                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-30 19:42                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30 20:34                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-12-07 22:16                                     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-12-07 22:37                                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-12-08  8:09                                         ` martin rudalics
2020-12-14 21:03                                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-12-15 16:03                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-15 16:24                                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-12-18 14:57                                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-12-18 15:36                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-18 18:49                                         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-12-19 10:33                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-19 14:15                                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-12-19 16:06                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-19 21:10                                                 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-12-20 15:05                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-07  6:18 ` Alexander Miller
2019-03-07  8:29   ` martin rudalics
2019-03-07  9:44     ` Alexander Miller
2019-03-07 13:46       ` martin rudalics
2020-12-20 17:57 ` Basil L. Contovounesios

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