From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#34338: 26.1; delete-file return codes and failures Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 11:55:15 +0200 Message-ID: <838sozncos.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20190205214737.vswyk7sfmgkliv7v@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87wocmvt5w.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> <20191030222159.rwfn7clgfjh36dze@E15-2016.optimum.net> <875zk5x2v1.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> <20191031012641.lam4pwo3cenf7tsu@E15-2016.optimum.net> <83h83pnfyq.fsf@gnu.org> <20191101093423.q6qm3eijb6ilrkpg@E15-2016.optimum.net> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="172499"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 34338@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se To: Boruch Baum Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 01 10:56:20 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQTfG-000ihp-O2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 10:56:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37128 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQTfE-0003zq-6U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 05:56:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39700) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQTf2-0003xv-7c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 05:56:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQTf0-00023B-09 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 05:56:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46237) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQTez-00022U-SH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 05:56:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQTez-0001RX-Pp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 05:56:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34338 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 34338-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34338.15726021245480 (code B ref 34338); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:56:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 34338) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 09:55:24 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55058 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQTeO-0001QK-6x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 05:55:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58745) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQTeL-0001Q2-UJ for 34338@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 05:55:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46007) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQTeE-0007LE-22; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 05:55:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1813 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iQTeC-0004lq-Pv; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 05:55:13 -0400 In-reply-to: <20191101093423.q6qm3eijb6ilrkpg@E15-2016.optimum.net> (message from Boruch Baum on Fri, 1 Nov 2019 05:34:23 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:170594 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 05:34:23 -0400 > From: Boruch Baum > Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 34338@debbugs.gnu.org > > On 2019-10-31 16:32, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > The current implementation basically is a moral equivalent of "rm -f". > > It also is biased towards interactive usage, where the return value is > > not very important. > > > > Does it answer your question? > > Not satisfactorily. Actually, from what you wrote, it follows that it did answer your question, you just disagree that delete-file should have been coded to work as it does. Please note that I didn't try to justify its behavior, only to explain its rationale, in response to your question "If it didn't matter, why waste your time attempting the deletion?" IOW, there certainly _are_ valid use cases where "it doesn't matter", and the fact that "rm -f" exists is an evidence.