From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#49261: 28.0.50; File Locking Breaks Presumptuous Toolchains Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 20:30:21 +0300 Message-ID: <838s2ba18y.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o8bn7bie.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgv6vuon.fsf@gmx.de> <837di9lwbm.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6n5vuu4.fsf@gnus.org> <8735sqnmei.fsf@gnus.org> <87zguyf4ht.fsf@gmx.de> <87pmvum54p.fsf@gnus.org> <87v95mf2lj.fsf@gmx.de> <87pmvt3ob1.fsf@gnus.org> <87fswpgacv.fsf@gmx.de> <87bl7dfikj.fsf@gmx.de> <8735sofuqj.fsf@gmx.de> <83sg0oc83l.fsf@gnu.org> <87v95jevrm.fsf@gmx.de> <83lf6fdav4.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1g7eoor.fsf@gmx.de> <87im1jphyy.fsf@gnus.org> <87im1fd4fr.fsf@gmx.de> <83sg0jaaud.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6mrd2di.fsf@gmx.de> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30462"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, ncaprisunfan@gmail.com, 49261@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Albinus Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 12 19:31:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zlv-0007jo-QE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:31:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52934 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zlu-0007p2-Md for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:31:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53180) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zlm-0007oj-4F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:31:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:55475) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zll-0007Nw-TB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:31:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zll-00037T-RN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:31:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 17:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49261 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 49261-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49261.162611103411958 (code B ref 49261); Mon, 12 Jul 2021 17:31:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 49261) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2021 17:30:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38788 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zlK-00036o-EY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:30:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55316) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zlI-00036a-Es for 49261@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:30:32 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58922) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zlD-00070u-1J; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1569 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zlC-00080u-Kt; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:30:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87a6mrd2di.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Mon, 12 Jul 2021 16:37:45 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:209830 Archived-At: > From: Michael Albinus > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, ncaprisunfan@gmail.com, 49261@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 16:37:45 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Hi Eli, > > >> Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> > >> >> Until now, there are no file locks for remote files at all. I thought > >> >> disabling it for remote files would be requested by some users for > >> >> backward compatibility. > >> > > >> > Yeah, I think it's a good idea, and allowing REPLACEMENT to be nil seems > >> > like the natural way to implement it. > >> > >> And now? You and Eli disagree in this point, and I don't know what to do. > > > > Which disagreement between us leaves you at an impasse? If there is > > indeed such a disagreement, maybe we could find a compromise which > > will allow some way forward. > > Lars agrees my proposal to use lock-file-name-transforms for disabling > file locks. You did argue against. Are we talking about disabling remote locks by default? If so, how about disabling them via a more user-friendly option? It strikes me as weird and un-intuitive to _disable_ something via a "transform" function. And it will definitely be more complex to set up such a "transform" function than just use a boolean flag.