From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#62248: 29.0.60; nil obsolete Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:05:11 +0200 Message-ID: <838rfuczfc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <875yay3hco.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <875yay3hco.fsf@yahoo.com> <87bkkq1rg6.fsf@md5i.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11405"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 62248@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Welsh Duggan Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 18 08:06:25 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQe0-0002jW-Ja for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:06:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQdg-000849-Lr; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:06:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQde-000840-EM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQde-0000r1-1v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQdd-0000Ck-Ov for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:06:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 07:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 62248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 62248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B62248.1679123118726 (code B ref 62248); Sat, 18 Mar 2023 07:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 62248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Mar 2023 07:05:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46050 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQcw-0000Bd-1n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:05:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47298) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQct-0000BB-Tn for 62248@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:05:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQcn-0000bY-Me; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:05:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=5gClcUtVUPqS7fmLbWqYsG2baTLBkCxcH3DY6YEl2sM=; b=oDM0xiRRkoJi UJ3XotTQOzwod3hpnfc/O4glGKL5vJ/w3FyKzoFDiSJGfysRoBeHDfy8cwjJQdRX1LP8GHz43mYTL pvITKereRcT0bBQG3c/X/16TChMdO0bpfQUGQmRobqq4kyd6SODyrarvkk/fheg8OqmyPBDAFd2/a yVHfZwygPeAfAeUgu2jO54QnTtmf9LzmqOVhOlPr6btp96vFHZi2zg0c4r2IHZYFc3Ta22WqwD8Af j0Bn3Dkoz70JcJFCiWtuan4i/sEo1L6Ppc4tXCScfTHItxAY+wtcTPnCHmJws6o4bLdGTM9IHIo4d 5kQfEUkdLfM+fAPk/HuSDw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQcn-0003o7-5z; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:05:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87bkkq1rg6.fsf@md5i.com> (message from Michael Welsh Duggan on Sat, 18 Mar 2023 02:52:57 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:258127 Archived-At: > Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com > From: Michael Welsh Duggan > Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 02:52:57 -0400 > > Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text > editors" writes: > > > Type: > > > > C-h v nil RET > > > > Emacs will describe `nil' as obsolete since 29.1. > > That is absurd. > > Happens for me too, but not with -Q. So some common package is causing > this, likely by accident. Can you step through help-fns--var-obsolete and tell what you see there? E.g., does (get nil 'byte-obsolete-variable) return non-nil? If so, how about running Emacs with a breakpoint in Fput and condition that symbol == Qnil (assuming your Emacs is not configured to represent Lisp objects as structs)?