From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:38:40 +0300 Message-ID: <837ghjjqvj.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372099213 20158 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2013 18:40:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, 14704@debbugs.gnu.org To: Sebastian Wiesner Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 24 20:40:12 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBgR-0004bO-9u for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:40:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54035 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBgQ-0003bW-VZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50679) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBgN-0003Wu-7e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBgJ-00088o-Le for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44696) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBgJ-00088B-Ic for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBgI-0006ym-Ro for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14704.137209914526640 (code B ref 14704); Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:40:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2013 18:39:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39012 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBfM-0006vc-Rd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:39:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:41584) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrBfI-0006ut-Qj for 14704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:39:01 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MOW00600U2J7K00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 14704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:38:54 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MOW00618UGQ9F00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:38:51 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:75524 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:26:27 +0200 > From: Sebastian Wiesner > Cc: 14704@debbugs.gnu.org > > I did neither scream nor demand, but I actually expected you to apply > care and attention to your work. I write tests for my own code, and I > run them, and I expected you to do so as well. I see now, that you do > not, which is embarrassing to you and very ignorant towards your > users. Out of fairness, you found 3 bugs in a single 1700-line package, and made very far-fetching conclusions ("Don't you test your code?!") out of that. Emacs weighs in at 400K C lines and 1400K Lisp lines, so with all due respect, accusing us in not testing our code based on such a small sample is a bit too much. If all that code were not tested at all, it would never have worked at all.