From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15962: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:43:48 +0200 Message-ID: <837gbtaj7f.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385570655 1675 80.91.229.3 (27 Nov 2013 16:44:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15962@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 27 17:44:20 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VliDr-00044g-Tz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:44:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36726 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VliDr-0004zU-JE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:44:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50422) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VliDk-0004w8-6q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:44:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VliDb-0001LO-0q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:44:12 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33883) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VliDa-0001LK-Tr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:44:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VliDa-0006io-Ai for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:44:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 15962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15962.138557063925820 (code B ref 15962); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2013 16:43:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47902 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VliDW-0006iN-Ap for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:43:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:55106) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VliDU-0006i3-0n for 15962@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:43:57 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MWX00800L1TWQ00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 15962@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:43:49 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MWX008R5L51L1A0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:43:49 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:81032 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:18:12 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 15962@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Please try to gather a few more data points. It is important to know > > if this happens with special frames, or with normal ones as well. > > What do you mean by "special frames"? Thumbnail frames are normal frames, > as I described. They are just small. You said they had no menu bar and no tool bar. So they are "special" in that way. > And I think, but am not sure, that I got the crashes also when > clicking in a non-thumbnail frame. That's why I said it's important to know whether this is indeed so. > > > My unfounded guess is still that it is just the change of focus that > > > provokes the crash. > > > > Then it would be a mystery, because then everybody on Windows should > > have these crashes all the time. > > That doesn't follow. How many users use multiple frames? And how many > use a standalone minibuffer frame? And yes, no doubt my > `default-frame-alist' is different from most. And so on. You said "just change of focus", which happens no matter how many frames one has and how they are configured. > > There's still something special to your configuration or usage > > patterns, I think. > > Certainly my Emacs is highly customized. If the problem arises only > with some one or more of the thousands of differences between my setup > and `emacs -Q', good luck trying to guess which one or more setting > differences might be revealing the Emacs bug? You are taking this to the extreme. If indeed focus switch causes this, I don't think customized options are a factor, because focus switch event is handled by code that is mostly invisible to Lisp. > Perhaps the code that produces the backtrace can be improved to give > better info? If it essentially just says, "No idea; something crashed", > then it isn't much help, at least in this case. It says more than that, but not enough. Unfortunately, I don't know how to make it better.