From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20385: [PATCH] Support curved quotes in doc strings Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 10:36:23 +0300 Message-ID: <837fs9geiw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1429555155-4695-1-git-send-email-eggert@cs.ucla.edu> <5552FDAC.4080004@cs.ucla.edu> <55534080.6010400@yandex.ru> <555369FD.30701@cs.ucla.edu> <5553D12F.7000809@yandex.ru> <5554155E.70000@cs.ucla.edu> <55547DC6.3090509@yandex.ru> <5555A4ED.8090500@cs.ucla.edu> <55562BB0.2010605@yandex.ru> <555640E9.4060203@cs.ucla.edu> <55564460.4020208@yandex.ru> <55566196.40105@cs.ucla.edu> <55566990.8020506@yandex.ru> <555686B7.60808@cs.ucla.edu> <5556E1C6.1010204@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431761842 24699 80.91.229.3 (16 May 2015 07:37:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 07:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20385@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 16 09:37:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YtWel-0008Dl-18 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 May 2015 09:37:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33878 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YtWek-0000x0-FU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 May 2015 03:37:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36873) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YtWeg-0000wt-GC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2015 03:37:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YtWed-0000Fs-9N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2015 03:37:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:36784) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YtWed-0000Fm-6g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2015 03:37:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YtWec-0001cm-Ok for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2015 03:37:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 07:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20385 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 20385-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20385.14317617936204 (code B ref 20385); Sat, 16 May 2015 07:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20385) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 May 2015 07:36:33 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46759 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YtWe8-0001bz-Hr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2015 03:36:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:42893) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YtWe5-0001bg-5w for 20385@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2015 03:36:30 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NOF00G00M18UK00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 20385@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2015 10:36:22 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NOF00G5FMGMJRA0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 16 May 2015 10:36:22 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <5556E1C6.1010204@cs.ucla.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:102867 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 23:20:54 -0700 > From: Paul Eggert > > Although I don't have any formal research, I do have some experience. Over the > past decade my assistants and I have introduced Emacs to an average of about one > new user per day. Most were age 20 or less. Many stop using Emacs soon after > they learn it. I'd like to help improve the retention rate. I'm not an "old-timer" who objects what you are trying to do, but do you _really_ think, after all those years, that changing the quoting style will affect the retention rate in any way? Let's face it: we make this change (and others like it) because we think it's right, not because we believe someone will like Emacs more who didn't before.