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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 24549@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#24549: 25.1; Customizing group `text'
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 17:27:20 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <837f9xct9z.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8aaf30c2-ceb2-4803-9e2e-cd10ad8a3802@default> (message from Drew Adams on Mon, 26 Sep 2016 13:46:26 -0700 (PDT))

> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 13:46:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> 
> 1. M-x customize-group RET emacs RET
> 
> That shows a group named "Text".
> 
> 2. M-x customize-group RET text RET
> 
> says "[No match]"
> 
> There is apparently no such group - at least none reachable using
> completion.

The group's _symbol_ is 'wp', "Text" is only its label (a.k.a. :tag):

  (defgroup wp nil
    "Support for editing text files."
    :tag "Text"
    :group 'emacs)

The ELisp manual says:

  ‘:tag LABEL’
       Use LABEL, a string, instead of the item’s name, to label the item
       in customization menus and buffers.  *Don’t use a tag which is
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
       substantially different from the item’s real name; that would cause
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
       confusion.*
       ^^^^^^^^^^^

(a.k.a. "do as I say, not as I do").

Unfortunately, this is a very old problem, and the 'wp' thingy is by
now probably spread too much, including outside of Emacs, for us to
even consider renaming the symbol itself.

So I think one band-aid solution could be:

  . mention the group's symbol in its doc string, so that it could be
    seen in the Custom buffer;

  . extend customize-read-group so it also accepts group tags, not
    just their symbols.

Any better ideas?

Patches welcome, TIA.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-27 14:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-26 20:46 bug#24549: 25.1; Customizing group `text' Drew Adams
2016-09-26 20:54 ` Drew Adams
2016-09-27 14:27 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-09-27 14:49   ` Drew Adams
2016-09-27 15:05     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <<8aaf30c2-ceb2-4803-9e2e-cd10ad8a3802@default>
     [not found] ` <<837f9xct9z.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<9eab3611-2ed6-422b-93bc-4270ef1b6082@default>
     [not found]     ` <<83twd1bcx6.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-09-27 16:58       ` Drew Adams
2016-10-08 13:40         ` Eli Zaretskii

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