From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37485: 27.0.50; C-m in describe-bindings Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:50:11 +0300 Message-ID: <837e5yq4vg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87sgooroa4.fsf@gnus.org> <83k19zpwtx.fsf@gnu.org> <8736gnb8mk.fsf@gnus.org> <83h853ouqi.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftknym8v.fsf@gnus.org> <83a7avorj2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rw6zzlm.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="39496"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 37485@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 23 19:51:13 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCSUT-000AAw-8D for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:51:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60446 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iCSUS-0000uu-4p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:51:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44804) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iCSUI-0000sS-W3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iCSUI-0000PW-2w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:51:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:56456) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iCSUI-0000PQ-05 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:51:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCSUH-00054i-Op for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:51:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37485 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 37485-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37485.156926103119463 (code B ref 37485); Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:51:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37485) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2019 17:50:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37044 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCSTm-00053r-NY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:50:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36258) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCSTj-00053a-9c for 37485@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:50:29 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54631) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iCSTa-0000Bz-NB; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:50:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4231 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iCSTa-0001G1-5q; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:50:18 -0400 In-reply-to: <871rw6zzlm.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:33:57 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:167034 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: 37485@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:33:57 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Anyway, what's the real problem here? Just the fact that you > > personally are annoyed? > > The problem is that these key bindings, as formatted by describe-keys, > aren't what was intended. We don't choose key bindings on a whime. `C-c > C-m' for instance (in Message mode), has the "m" as a mnemonic for > "MIME". `C-c RET' doesn't mean anything. Key description and fast typing are two separate issues. Mnemonics is yet another, third, issue (and assigning mnemonic value to 'm' in C-m is generally unusual, IME). I don't think these additional issues should affect how we display C-m/RET _everywhere_ in our docs. E.g., would you propose to use C-i instead of TAB?