From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40774: Error messages shouldn't be hidden when the user is idle Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 22:06:28 +0300 Message-ID: <837dy7e3wr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83mu73eagw.fsf@gnu.org> <3HKWEOXkDWKA21dsCFgMgmFIMPR3VwPgNzfTjd7I5Igswu07sfhZaP-td1X4Py66xAD6kDLyLjVmujFkuabkY_S9ZZhgGZwi0IaAV6RS59U=@protonmail.com> <83ftcve6gl.fsf@gnu.org> <83blnje5ro.fsf@gnu.org> <838sine4si.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="46356"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 40774@debbugs.gnu.org To: ndame Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 21:07:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKiG-000BxM-1B for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:07:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56282 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKiE-0001K8-Td for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:07:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38908) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKi7-0001K0-8N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:07:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKi6-0003pC-T7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:07:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:41699) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKi6-0003p7-Hz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:07:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKi6-0005Lu-CP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:07:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 19:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 40774 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 40774-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B40774.158758241220559 (code B ref 40774); Wed, 22 Apr 2020 19:07:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 40774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2020 19:06:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53245 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKhw-0005LX-FU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:06:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35884) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKhv-0005LG-Es for 40774@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:06:51 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35177) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKhq-0003ex-9B; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:06:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4715 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKhp-0005Of-Fl; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:06:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from ndame on Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:53:01 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178827 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:53:01 +0000 > From: ndame > Cc: "40774@debbugs.gnu.org" <40774@debbugs.gnu.org> > > > You want the Emacs behavior to change depending on whether "the user > > is idle" or not, right? If the practical implementation of that will > > be "when Emacs is idle", you might not have the behavior you wanted, > > because Emacs might not be idle when the user is. > > If Emacs prints a message then the message function can check if the > user is idle using the same condition what run-with-idle-timer > uses and if so then it can handle displaying the message in different way. But that's exactly the problem I see with your proposed strategy: when Emacs prints a message, it is _never_ idle, by definition.