From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:05:17 +0300 Message-ID: <837dl1vwf6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <009901c9421f$5bd0a6b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87eef9qg81.fsf@gnus.org> <1869622e162377be79e9@heytings.org> <83bladw0dh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6pxqdeg.fsf@gnus.org> <875z0lqcj4.fsf@gnus.org> <871rb9qbd3.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21920"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gregory@heytings.org, 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, jasonspiro4@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 17 16:06:17 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lXlaT-0005aq-Bq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:06:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37438 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXlaS-0008Nc-Ez for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:06:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34620) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXlaE-0008NK-KH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60774) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXlaD-0007O5-PW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXlaD-00017r-K4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:06:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 14:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.16186683354295 (code B ref 1305); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 14:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2021 14:05:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44087 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXlZn-00017C-CV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:05:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50194) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXlZl-000170-KG for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:05:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33886) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXlZd-00070g-Bu; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:05:28 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2847 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lXlZc-0003jL-IL; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:05:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871rb9qbd3.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 17 Apr 2021 15:39:04 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204209 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Gregory Heytings , > jasonspiro4@gmail.com, 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 15:39:04 +0200 > > > It is my understanding that Emacs is unusual in using the system bell > > though. It would be better to avoid it completely, even when that > > setting is on. > > I turned the volume up, and saying "lTAB" in the shell (in a Console > window) then beeped audibly. So the default here is to make sounds. > And I just checked the same on my Apple laptop -- the shell there also > beeps a lot. That is my experience as well: programs make sounds nowadays all the time, and one needs to customize the system to make them shut up.