From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46236: 26.1; explicit the info files installation Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:16:58 +0300 Message-ID: <837dkvrfwl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <875z3bq3p6.fsf@host.localdomain> <83fszkqacg.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11104"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: marmot-te@riseup.net, 46236@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 21 14:18:15 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lZBo6-0002Vw-Ts for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:18:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40822 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZBo5-0001uY-UE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:18:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZBnv-0001uH-OM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:18:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45560) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZBnu-0004ky-KA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:18:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZBnu-0005T7-GP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:18:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 12:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46236 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 46236-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46236.161900744920976 (code B ref 46236); Wed, 21 Apr 2021 12:18:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2021 12:17:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57105 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZBnN-0005SG-Au for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:17:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZBnJ-0005S1-OA for 46236@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:17:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54728) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZBnE-0004Mn-4U; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:17:20 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2163 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lZBn5-0003X4-Cq; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:17:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 21 Apr 2021 07:06:47 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204599 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 07:06:47 -0500 > Cc: rms@gnu.org, marmot-te@riseup.net, 46236@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > That depend on what we say. We don't have to mention Debian or their > > repository explicitly -- which would also be better because other > > distros could have a similar problem. > > I have never seen or heard of any other distribution ripping out the > manual and distributing it separately from Emacs itself. Do you know of > any examples? It doesn't matter. I'm saying that we shouldn't name them as a matter of principle, so as to avoid the few pitfalls you've mentioned, like talking about non-free repositories. > When I say `C-h r' without `emacs-common-non-dfsg' installed on my > Debian machine, I get "Info file emacs does not exist". We could, for example, say something like Info manual for Emacs was not found; consider installing it. which would be more explicit and clear, I think. > Perhaps we could just find where that message comes from It comes from Info-find-file. > IOW, I think this would be easy to do technically, but it would need us > to recommend the "non-free" repository. Which is why I suggest not to name them. > I'm therefore starting to think that this should be the responsibility > of Debian. They should solve the problems that they have created for > their users; such a warning should be added by *them*. Doesn't that > make more sense? We could indeed decide that it's not our problem. In fact, the current situation is tantamount to doing just that.