From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:03:51 +0300 Message-ID: <837dkkci6w.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <0d7924a2-d09f-e2d0-f0e7-6b5ee3a7a7f2@yandex.ru> <192e82f20f5deb690394@heytings.org> <87zgxmjkr9.fsf@gnus.org> <874kfs3585.fsf@gnus.org> <87v987z53l.fsf@gnus.org> <8fba78a42ee78011f182@heytings.org> <80b9aa43-9924-ae07-df60-87dde8c17378@yandex.ru> <83k0okcqgg.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7jockv2.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12812"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: alan@idiocy.org, 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, mwd@md5i.com, stefan@marxist.se, jasonspiro4@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru, larsi@gnus.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 30 10:05:56 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lcO9r-0003C1-IQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:05:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47150 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcO9q-0001Ht-LE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 04:05:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34466) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcO91-0001HF-AG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 04:05:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45872) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcO90-0006ak-08 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 04:05:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcO8z-0004ow-Pz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 04:05:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161976986318483 (code B ref 1305); Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:05:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2021 08:04:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57418 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcO8G-0004nu-5g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 04:04:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54098) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcO8C-0004nf-Ud for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 04:04:14 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58822) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcO84-00065v-TE; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 04:04:04 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1404 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lcO7z-0003mg-Ic; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 04:04:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Gregory Heytings on Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:27:25 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:205232 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:27:25 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, alan@idiocy.org, 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, mwd@md5i.com, > stefan@marxist.se, jasonspiro4@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > larsi@gnus.org > > "Flashing a window means changing the appearance of its caption bar as if > the window were changing from inactive to active status, or vice versa. > [...] Typically, a window is flashed to inform the user that the window > requires attention but that it does not currently have the keyboard > focus." [1] > > [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winuser/nf-winuser-flashwindow > > But even that doesn't describe the effect accurately, the feeling I have > is closer to "the frame briefly vibrates". As I said, I use Windows only > rarely, so my feeling is perhaps not right. What I see is exactly what the MS documentation describes: the frame's title bar blinks (a.k.a. "flickers"), which is very hard to notice; and the corresponding tab on the task bar flashes, which is much more prominent. IME, this happens in all Windows versions.