From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#49261: 28.0.50; File Locking Breaks Presumptuous Toolchains Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 20:38:25 +0300 Message-ID: <837dhva0vi.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zgv6vuon.fsf@gmx.de> <837di9lwbm.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6n5vuu4.fsf@gnus.org> <8735sqnmei.fsf@gnus.org> <87zguyf4ht.fsf@gmx.de> <87pmvum54p.fsf@gnus.org> <87v95mf2lj.fsf@gmx.de> <87pmvt3ob1.fsf@gnus.org> <87fswpgacv.fsf@gmx.de> <87bl7dfikj.fsf@gmx.de> <8735sofuqj.fsf@gmx.de> <83sg0oc83l.fsf@gnu.org> <87v95jevrm.fsf@gmx.de> <83lf6fdav4.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1g7eoor.fsf@gmx.de> <87im1jphyy.fsf@gnus.org> <87im1fd4fr.fsf@gmx.de> <83sg0jaaud.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6mrd2di.fsf@gmx.de> <838s2ba18y.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmvnsadx.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33894"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de, ncaprisunfan@gmail.com, 49261@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 12 19:39:57 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zuO-0008co-Vx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:39:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54878 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zuL-000121-Px for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:39:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54596) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m2ztZ-00010p-AJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:39:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:55491) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m2ztW-0004JI-Kk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:39:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m2ztW-0003Jo-Gh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:39:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 17:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49261 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 49261-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49261.162611151812721 (code B ref 49261); Mon, 12 Jul 2021 17:39:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 49261) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2021 17:38:38 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38804 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zt7-0003J7-U3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:38:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56788) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zt6-0003Iu-AT for 49261@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:38:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59072) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zt0-0003yZ-QT; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:38:30 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2077 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m2zt0-0006NB-9j; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:38:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87pmvnsadx.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:35:38 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:209832 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: Michael Albinus , ncaprisunfan@gmail.com, > 49261@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:35:38 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Are we talking about disabling remote locks by default? If so, how > > about disabling them via a more user-friendly option? It strikes me > > as weird and un-intuitive to _disable_ something via a "transform" > > function. And it will definitely be more complex to set up such a > > "transform" function than just use a boolean flag. > > The thing is: In Emacs 27, we didn't have file locking for Tramp files. > This has now been introduced, and we're discussing how to disable them > (and only them) in Emacs 28. > > Doing that as a transform seems natural, since that's very parallel to > what we're doing in `auto-save-file-name-transforms' (where Tramp file > names are made local). I suggested a compromise: disable it by default, but not via the transform function. I think it's more natural, but even if you disagree, would it do as a compromise?